And I thought YOU were crazy!

Knowledge is Power

A while back I auctioned off a patch on a neckerchief for the TMR Museum. The item in question, was an unlisted Oratam P1 variety on a neckerchief.

I had a email exchange with an Oratam collector who said

At first when I saw the price I thought you had a pair of really big ones or was just plain CRAZY. But now I must admit that I was wrong.

He thought my minimum bid was way out of the ballpark and I explained a bit of my thought process on the issue and how I determined the price. He also had some comments on sniping on eBay. My reply…

Your entitled to your opinion of course, but I suspect the 484P will go for well over $ 100 (maybe close to $ 200 ). It is my job as a seller to maximize the return on an item, particularly as this was donated to the TMR Museum and the proceeds will go to them.

First neither the Tracker Software nor oaimages lists a price for this item (or any P1 or P2). This means that none were sold by the major dealers who contributed pricing to Tracker and none sold on eBay (at least properly identified) over the past couple of years. So it is at least uncommon. Most older Pies and other odd-shapes, were generally produced in low quantities and are becoming difficult to find.

Plus when I showed it to a major NJ OA Collector I was offered $ 75 on the spot for it.

There are multiple people watching it, and at least one person has told me he plans to snipe. We will see what happens.

As for sniping, as a seller I’d prefer to see bidding early and often to drive the price up. The reality is, eBay allows sniping, since any user can follow another’s bidding through the search function, it makes sense to me as a buyer to conceal my intentions for as long as possible. There are other NYS OA collectors who bid on the same items I do. Should I risk showing my hand particularly when an item is not well described or one item pictured in a pile of ” various miscellaneous scout patches?” It could wind up costing me considerably more.

Besides a sniper will never beat me unless he is willing to spend more than me. When I place a final bid, it is the maximum I’m willing to spend on an item at that time. If I think an item is worth a maximum of $ 50 and only bid $ 25 and I get sniped at $ 26 it is my fault not the snipers. If I get beat at $ 51, it was more than I was willing to spend and the sniper is entitled to it. For all I know, the snipers could have been willing to go $ 100 but it will only show one bump above my maximum.

By the way, the starting price was $ 74. 99 and it went for nearly $ 180 .00, with 2 different snipes in the last 15 seconds.

Oratam Lodge #484 P1 Variety

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Table of contents for Knowledge is Power

  1. Knowledge is Power – Nentico Lodge #12 X1
  2. Knowledge is Power – Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers
  3. And I thought YOU were crazy!
  4. Knowledge is Power – Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  5. Knowledge is Power – Wakpominee Lodge #48 A1 Wabiningo
  6. White Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  7. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn
  8. Another Eagle Scout Badge
  9. Knowledge is Power – Lettered Areas
  10. Knowledge is Power – P2K Arrowheads
  11. Knowledge is Power – Uncommon Flaps from Common Lodges
  12. Knowledge is Power – A Philmont P2K Arrowhead on eBay now
  13. Knowledge is Power – Region 7 Canoe Base
  14. Knowledge is Power – Region 13
  15. Knowledge is Power – Silver Fawn Revisited
  16. Knowledge is Power – Adirondack Lodge #357 R1
  17. Knowledge is Power – Tahgajute 247 X1
  18. Knowledge is Power – Area I 1945 Conclave
  19. Knowledge is Power or Oh My God!!
  20. Knowledge is Power – 1937 Jambo Shoulder Tab
  21. Early Region 2 Patch on eBay
  24. Boy Scout Order of the Arrow Patch – Vintage – Rare
  25. Knowldge Is Power – Sislija X2
  26. Most Expensive OA Lodge Event Patch?
  27. Delaware County Council OA Neck’chief worn 1958 Enclave
  28. Achpateuny Lodge #498 Dance Team Issue
  29. Knowledge is Power – Wabaningo Lodge Handbook
  30. Knowledge is Power Air Ace Medal Type 2
  31. Sea Scout Eagle Revisited
  32. Y2K Philmont Arrowheads
  33. Collecting OA Handbooks
  34. 2009 NOAC American Folklore Set
  35. Before there was 4, there was 6 and before that 12
  36. Knights of Dunamis
  37. P2K – Philmont Arrowhead
  38. Early Troop Committee Armband
  39. Air Scouts and Air Explorers
  40. WTF – $ 2000 Hat Pin
  41. 1937 World Jamboree USA Contingent Flash
  42. Sea Scout Eagle Badge on White Twill
  43. 1935 Boy Scout National Jamboree Shoulder Tab and Patch
  44. Scouts De America
  45. World Brotherhood Camporee
  46. RWS: Chautauqua County, RARE-original style, gauze back
  47. Philmont Ranch Hand P2K Arrowhead
  48. Felt Vigil Sash on eBay
  49. Felt Flocked Vigil Sash
  50. 1948 OA Handbook Hardbound Edition – The Finale
  51. OA Belt Buckle
  52. Philmont Dollar Patch
  53. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn Redone
  54. NY Pre-OA Honor Society – Order Of The White Swastika
  55. National Order of the Arrow Indian Seminar
  56. Ah Wa Ge OA Lodge 477 Neckerchief Slide
  57. A Look Back – The Silver Fawn
  58. Tahgajute Lodge #247 J3 Ceremonial Team Patch


  1. John Pannell says:

    So what did the piece go for? You deliberately left out the starting bid and closing price.

  2. nyoatrader says:

    Don’t know what the problem was, nothing looked funny with the code. All of the amounts after the $ sign do not appear. If I add a space between the $ and the number they all appear. Hmmn…

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