Articles from October 2007



They’re Baaack – ClothTalk

ClothTalkThe boys from ClothTalk are back and their latest podcast was from the 2007 NE-2C Conclave hosted by Ktemaque Lodge #15. One of the people they interview is Dave Ames from Man-a-hattin Lodge #82. As always worth a listen.

ClothTalk 030 – We’re back!!

It’s been a long time, but we’ve finished our server migration and we’re back in action. This episode, we bring you to the Section NE-2C Conclave and talk with the 2007 National Chief of the Order of the Arrow, Evan Chaffee. We also take a moment with Dave Ames who shares his collection of Boy Scout handbooks and New York area OA patches. We also listen in on Northeast Region Chief, Ken Hager trading patches with his fellow scouts at the conclave.

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And I thought YOU were crazy!

Knowledge is Power

A while back I auctioned off a patch on a neckerchief for the TMR Museum. The item in question, was an unlisted Oratam P1 variety on a neckerchief.

I had a email exchange with an Oratam collector who said

At first when I saw the price I thought you had a pair of really big ones or was just plain CRAZY. But now I must admit that I was wrong.

He thought my minimum bid was way out of the ballpark and I explained a bit of my thought process on the issue and how I determined the price. He also had some comments on sniping on eBay. My reply…

Your entitled to your opinion of course, but I suspect the 484P will go for well over $ 100 (maybe close to $ 200 ). It is my job as a seller to maximize the return on an item, particularly as this was donated to the TMR Museum and the proceeds will go to them.

First neither the Tracker Software nor oaimages lists a price for this item (or any P1 or P2). This means that none were sold by the major dealers who contributed pricing to Tracker and none sold on eBay (at least properly identified) over the past couple of years. So it is at least uncommon. Most older Pies and other odd-shapes, were generally produced in low quantities and are becoming difficult to find.

Plus when I showed it to a major NJ OA Collector I was offered $ 75 on the spot for it.

There are multiple people watching it, and at least one person has told me he plans to snipe. We will see what happens.

As for sniping, as a seller I’d prefer to see bidding early and often to drive the price up. The reality is, eBay allows sniping, since any user can follow another’s bidding through the search function, it makes sense to me as a buyer to conceal my intentions for as long as possible. There are other NYS OA collectors who bid on the same items I do. Should I risk showing my hand particularly when an item is not well described or one item pictured in a pile of ” various miscellaneous scout patches?” It could wind up costing me considerably more.

Besides a sniper will never beat me unless he is willing to spend more than me. When I place a final bid, it is the maximum I’m willing to spend on an item at that time. If I think an item is worth a maximum of $ 50 and only bid $ 25 and I get sniped at $ 26 it is my fault not the snipers. If I get beat at $ 51, it was more than I was willing to spend and the sniper is entitled to it. For all I know, the snipers could have been willing to go $ 100 but it will only show one bump above my maximum.

By the way, the starting price was $ 74. 99 and it went for nearly $ 180 .00, with 2 different snipes in the last 15 seconds.

Oratam Lodge #484 P1 Variety

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Table of contents for Knowledge is Power

  1. Knowledge is Power – Nentico Lodge #12 X1
  2. Knowledge is Power – Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers
  3. And I thought YOU were crazy!
  4. Knowledge is Power – Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  5. Knowledge is Power – Wakpominee Lodge #48 A1 Wabiningo
  6. White Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  7. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn
  8. Another Eagle Scout Badge
  9. Knowledge is Power – Lettered Areas
  10. Knowledge is Power – P2K Arrowheads
  11. Knowledge is Power – Uncommon Flaps from Common Lodges
  12. Knowledge is Power – A Philmont P2K Arrowhead on eBay now
  13. Knowledge is Power – Region 7 Canoe Base
  14. Knowledge is Power – Region 13
  15. Knowledge is Power – Silver Fawn Revisited
  16. Knowledge is Power – Adirondack Lodge #357 R1
  17. Knowledge is Power – Tahgajute 247 X1
  18. Knowledge is Power – Area I 1945 Conclave
  19. Knowledge is Power or Oh My God!!
  20. Knowledge is Power – 1937 Jambo Shoulder Tab
  21. Early Region 2 Patch on eBay
  22. VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  23. Update – VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  24. Boy Scout Order of the Arrow Patch – Vintage – Rare
  25. Knowldge Is Power – Sislija X2
  26. Most Expensive OA Lodge Event Patch?
  27. Delaware County Council OA Neck’chief worn 1958 Enclave
  28. Achpateuny Lodge #498 Dance Team Issue
  29. Knowledge is Power – Wabaningo Lodge Handbook
  30. Knowledge is Power Air Ace Medal Type 2
  31. Sea Scout Eagle Revisited
  32. Y2K Philmont Arrowheads
  33. Collecting OA Handbooks
  34. 2009 NOAC American Folklore Set
  35. Before there was 4, there was 6 and before that 12
  36. Knights of Dunamis
  37. P2K – Philmont Arrowhead
  38. Early Troop Committee Armband
  39. Air Scouts and Air Explorers
  40. WTF – $ 2000 Hat Pin
  41. 1937 World Jamboree USA Contingent Flash
  42. Sea Scout Eagle Badge on White Twill
  43. 1935 Boy Scout National Jamboree Shoulder Tab and Patch
  44. Scouts De America
  45. World Brotherhood Camporee
  46. RWS: Chautauqua County, RARE-original style, gauze back
  47. Philmont Ranch Hand P2K Arrowhead
  48. Felt Vigil Sash on eBay
  49. Felt Flocked Vigil Sash
  50. 1948 OA Handbook Hardbound Edition – The Finale
  51. OA Belt Buckle
  52. Philmont Dollar Patch
  53. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn Redone
  54. NY Pre-OA Honor Society – Order Of The White Swastika
  55. National Order of the Arrow Indian Seminar
  56. Ah Wa Ge OA Lodge 477 Neckerchief Slide
  57. A Look Back – The Silver Fawn
  58. Tahgajute Lodge #247 J3 Ceremonial Team Patch
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Green Bar Bill William Hillcourt Scout Museum

Dick Krzyiewski who runs the Camp Woodland TOR each June, sent word of the rededication of the William Hillcourt Scout Museum.

 I want to Thank all of those that attended the William “Green Bar Bill”

Hillcourt Scout Museum and Carson Buck Memorial Library Re-dedication event this past weekend at Camp Woodland, Hiawatha Seaway Council. We had over 100 in attendance and the response was most favorable.

The Museum has expanded and now has over 2400 square feet of display and memorabilia room.  Honored guests included members of the Hillcourt and Buck families along with many others that have contributed to this project.

I encourage anyone traveling to the Central New York area to visit this wonderful facility. Many of Hillcourt’s and Buck’s personal items and collections are on display, admission is free. For further information Contact the Hiawatha Seaway Council.

More information about the Museum cab be found here

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Boy Scouts in the News

Some positive press on Boy  Scouts in the news over the past few days.

Spending the night at an evacuation site means a lesson in organization

 Behind her, Qualcomm’s televisions had been tuned to local TV stations tracking the fire. Sitting in the stands were Rancho Bernardans hoping their house would not be the next one to appear on the screen. Some of the worst had already happened. KUSI used footage of a burning unit in the La Terraza apartment complex as the background shot for its sound bites. Sitting in front of Canfield, Allan Teo hoped he wasn’t watching his home going up in flames on national TV.

…Trying to find sleeping accommodations for 4,200 people meant mobilizing vast resources. The Navy donated hundreds of tents, which were set up along two levels of the stadium by—who else?—a couple of troops of Boy Scouts. Extra tents were set up in the parking lot as a kind of tent city.

And from the New York Times – Stadium Provides Relief Amid the Fires

Carl DeMaio, 33, evacuated his home at dawn, drove straight to Qualcomm Stadium and started organizing volunteers who arrived even before city officials did. Mr. DeMaio, who is the president of a nonpartisan government watchdog organization, organized at least 400 volunteers and tons of donated food, mattresses, blankets and other gifts.

“How many of you have set up a tent before?” he said, addressing a queue of volunteers. A few hands shot up. “Come with me. We have a few Boy Scouts who can supervise you.”

And Finally Boy Scouts Rescue Hiker

41-year-old Jane Scholl fell five feet from a cliff while hiking on the Appalachain Trail.

“We were rock-climbing, and we got to the peak, and I tripped,” Jane said. She was bleeding, disoriented and six miles from her fiancé’s car when Scout Troop 226 of Northeast Philadelphia came by. Two troop leaders, one a Cheltenham police officer and another an EMT, determined she couldn’t make it back without help. “She had slurred speech, she was sluggish, couldn’t walk, she was nauseous, and she almost passed out,” troop leader Andy Swartz Sr. said. Three older scouts used two tree branches and their clothing to fashion a makeshift stretcher.

“It was awesome to see these guys making the stretcher,” troop leader Chris Gallagher said.

“We laid the two sticks out, and we put the two sticks through each of our sleeves, and made it long enough for her body. Then we laid her down on it, picked her up, and carried her to where the chopper was waiting,” Eagle Scout Andrew Swartz Jr. said.

…They carried her nearly 3 miles to a clearing where medics began treatment and then to a chopper that flew her to a trauma center.

Hat Tip to the BSA BLAWG (where I found the 3 stories above) which added

The Troop was honored Sunday by a cheering crowd and a band featuring drummers and bagpipes. The Scouts are from the Cradle of Liberty Council that the City of Philadelphia is threatening with a $199,999 rent increase on its headquarters building.

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Knowledge is Power – Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers

Knowledge is Power

This is the second in a series of posts highlighting items on eBay. The item in todays post, is not from New York, but is from a Lodge from Connecticut and is part of Section NE-2C. The patch featured in the auction is a an Anniversary Patch from the Quinnipiac Dancers from Owaneco Lodge #313.

The auction for the Quinnipiac Dancers Patch which can be seen on eBay, by following the link. Here is an item that was only issued a handful of years ago which already commands a significant price.

This auction illustrates one sub-set of collecting OA issues. There are a number of collectors who specialize in Dance and Ceremonial Team issues. These patches are generally issued in small numbers and frequently must be earned by the team members. That makes these patches sought after by not only collectors of Owaneco Lodge, but Dance Team issue Collectors as well.

The issue pictured in the Auction is not listed on OAimages, does anyone know the full details behind this item?

Since the auction will only be available for a limited time, I have pictured the 313S17 below. This flap is identical to the one in the eBay auction, with the exception of the border color. The one in the auction has a GMY bodrder, not a Dark Blue Border.

Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers S17

Image courtesy of OA Iamges

 

Table of contents for Knowledge is Power

  1. Knowledge is Power – Nentico Lodge #12 X1
  2. Knowledge is Power – Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers
  3. And I thought YOU were crazy!
  4. Knowledge is Power – Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  5. Knowledge is Power – Wakpominee Lodge #48 A1 Wabiningo
  6. White Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  7. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn
  8. Another Eagle Scout Badge
  9. Knowledge is Power – Lettered Areas
  10. Knowledge is Power – P2K Arrowheads
  11. Knowledge is Power – Uncommon Flaps from Common Lodges
  12. Knowledge is Power – A Philmont P2K Arrowhead on eBay now
  13. Knowledge is Power – Region 7 Canoe Base
  14. Knowledge is Power – Region 13
  15. Knowledge is Power – Silver Fawn Revisited
  16. Knowledge is Power – Adirondack Lodge #357 R1
  17. Knowledge is Power – Tahgajute 247 X1
  18. Knowledge is Power – Area I 1945 Conclave
  19. Knowledge is Power or Oh My God!!
  20. Knowledge is Power – 1937 Jambo Shoulder Tab
  21. Early Region 2 Patch on eBay
  22. VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  23. Update – VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  24. Boy Scout Order of the Arrow Patch – Vintage – Rare
  25. Knowldge Is Power – Sislija X2
  26. Most Expensive OA Lodge Event Patch?
  27. Delaware County Council OA Neck’chief worn 1958 Enclave
  28. Achpateuny Lodge #498 Dance Team Issue
  29. Knowledge is Power – Wabaningo Lodge Handbook
  30. Knowledge is Power Air Ace Medal Type 2
  31. Sea Scout Eagle Revisited
  32. Y2K Philmont Arrowheads
  33. Collecting OA Handbooks
  34. 2009 NOAC American Folklore Set
  35. Before there was 4, there was 6 and before that 12
  36. Knights of Dunamis
  37. P2K – Philmont Arrowhead
  38. Early Troop Committee Armband
  39. Air Scouts and Air Explorers
  40. WTF – $ 2000 Hat Pin
  41. 1937 World Jamboree USA Contingent Flash
  42. Sea Scout Eagle Badge on White Twill
  43. 1935 Boy Scout National Jamboree Shoulder Tab and Patch
  44. Scouts De America
  45. World Brotherhood Camporee
  46. RWS: Chautauqua County, RARE-original style, gauze back
  47. Philmont Ranch Hand P2K Arrowhead
  48. Felt Vigil Sash on eBay
  49. Felt Flocked Vigil Sash
  50. 1948 OA Handbook Hardbound Edition – The Finale
  51. OA Belt Buckle
  52. Philmont Dollar Patch
  53. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn Redone
  54. NY Pre-OA Honor Society – Order Of The White Swastika
  55. National Order of the Arrow Indian Seminar
  56. Ah Wa Ge OA Lodge 477 Neckerchief Slide
  57. A Look Back – The Silver Fawn
  58. Tahgajute Lodge #247 J3 Ceremonial Team Patch
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Buckskin Lodge #412 Belt Buckle

Belt BuckleThe second post in the series of NY OA Belt Buckles is one from Buckskin Lodge #412.  The Buckle pictures the wolfhead totem used by the Lodge.

Buckskin Lodge #412 Belt Buckle

The buckle depicts the 412X1 patch from the lodge.

Buckskin Lodge #412 X1

Anyone have more information on this Buckle?


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—Marcia Wright-Edelman

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Horicon Lodge #246 Belt Buckle

Belt BuckleA while back I asked, What do you want to read about? Ray Gould suggested a series on Belt Buckles from New York State OA Lodges. I don’t have many (any) myself, so if you don’t want this to be a very short series 😉 , send along some scans of you buckles.

The first one in the series is contributed by Tom Wadnola, it is from Horicon Lodge #246. The Blue Book lists Horicon Lodge as from the merger of Tahawus 32 and Apachedotte 246 in 1955. It later merged with Mide 15 to form Ktemaque 15 in 1973.

Horicon Lodge #246 Belt Buckle

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“When you are eight years old, nothing is any of your business.” Lenny Bruce

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