Articles from July 2008



Area 2-G 1969 NOAC Contingent Neckerchief

Area 2-G issued several NOAC Contingent pieces over the years.  I had previously written on their contingent patch for the 1971 NOAC. This time, we have a neckerchief issued for the 1969 NOAC held at the University of Indiana.

Area 2-G 1969 NOAC Contingent Neckerchief

Were there any other items issued for this NOAC by Area 2-G?

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I don’t pass the buck, nor do I alibi out of any decision I make.” —Harry S. Truman
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Number 1000

On April 30, 2007 I posted on the 500th entry to my blog. Almost to the day, 15 months later this will be the 1000th post since the inception of the blog in January 2004.

The blog has grown from its humble more infrequent postings to being updated virtually every day, with information on new and newly discovered issues from the 70+ lodges from New York State. the scope of the blog has broadened a bit since than. In addition to Blue Book Issues, I now try to cover Section and Area Conclaves for the New York Lodges, neckerchief slides and bolos and other related OA materials. I have been able to do this only with the strong support of my loyal readers.

I’ve enjoyed the ride so far, lets see where the next 1000 will lead.

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Nischa Nimat Lodge #181 Oddity

An odd flap from Nischa Nimat Lodge #181recently appeared on eBay. It appeared to have a gray border not the white or black borders typical of most issues. Was it a new issue, something not previously cataloged?

Dave Scocca was the winning bidder and provided all of the scans in this post. He confirmed the color was true in the scan but…

On closer investigation, it’s the S-7 with a hand-colored border. I will send a separate message with scans plus some details of the edge that make this obvious–the gray doesn’t go all the way around to the back of the flap, and there are tell-tale dark edges on the blue sky and particularly the green grass.
Here are some of the additional scans (click on the pictures for larger images) :
181 Gray Border Rear View

181 Gray Border Rear View

And two more:

Left Front Edge View, Note the white alongside the gray

181 S? Left Front Edge View

You can see the part of the white border which has not been colored gray alongside the gray front edge.

In this scan, you will see the discoloration along the edge of the green grass on the bottom of the flap where is abuts the border.

Bottom Edge - Note the discoloration

181 Gray Border Bottom Edge

So is it or isn’t it?
No it isn’t a newly discovered issue, just a hand made oddity.

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Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason.” —Benjamin Franklin

Table of contents for Is It or Isn't It?

  1. Wakpominee #48 L1 – Is It or Isn’t It?
  2. Buckskin Lodge #412 Neckerchief? Is It or Isn’t It
  3. Nischa Nimat Lodge #181 Oddity
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Knowledge is Power – Tahgajute 247 X1

Ray Gould had named the Tahgahute Lodge #247 X1 as one of the toughest pieces from the Lodge in an earlier post on the toughest New York OA from old Area 2-G.

Aside from the N0.5 (which is still a need of mine) it is probably the toughest patch issued by the lodge.

Tahgajute #247 X1

Tahgajute #247 X1

There is a Tahgajute #247 X1 currently available on eBay. The starting bid is $ 80.00. While it is sometimes tough to tell on odd-shapes how high they will go, I would not be surprised for this patch to go for 2-3 times the starting bid.

Do you need one?

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The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from.
Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Table of contents for Knowledge is Power

  1. Knowledge is Power – Nentico Lodge #12 X1
  2. Knowledge is Power – Owaneco Lodge #313 Quinnipiac Dancers
  3. And I thought YOU were crazy!
  4. Knowledge is Power – Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  5. Knowledge is Power – Wakpominee Lodge #48 A1 Wabiningo
  6. White Sea Scout Eagle Badge
  7. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn
  8. Another Eagle Scout Badge
  9. Knowledge is Power – Lettered Areas
  10. Knowledge is Power – P2K Arrowheads
  11. Knowledge is Power – Uncommon Flaps from Common Lodges
  12. Knowledge is Power – A Philmont P2K Arrowhead on eBay now
  13. Knowledge is Power – Region 7 Canoe Base
  14. Knowledge is Power – Region 13
  15. Knowledge is Power – Silver Fawn Revisited
  16. Knowledge is Power – Adirondack Lodge #357 R1
  17. Knowledge is Power – Tahgajute 247 X1
  18. Knowledge is Power – Area I 1945 Conclave
  19. Knowledge is Power or Oh My God!!
  20. Knowledge is Power – 1937 Jambo Shoulder Tab
  21. Early Region 2 Patch on eBay
  22. VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  23. Update – VINTAGE 60’s BOY CUB SCOUTS NECKERCHEIF UNIFORM LOT
  24. Boy Scout Order of the Arrow Patch – Vintage – Rare
  25. Knowldge Is Power – Sislija X2
  26. Most Expensive OA Lodge Event Patch?
  27. Delaware County Council OA Neck’chief worn 1958 Enclave
  28. Achpateuny Lodge #498 Dance Team Issue
  29. Knowledge is Power – Wabaningo Lodge Handbook
  30. Knowledge is Power Air Ace Medal Type 2
  31. Sea Scout Eagle Revisited
  32. Y2K Philmont Arrowheads
  33. Collecting OA Handbooks
  34. 2009 NOAC American Folklore Set
  35. Before there was 4, there was 6 and before that 12
  36. Knights of Dunamis
  37. P2K – Philmont Arrowhead
  38. Early Troop Committee Armband
  39. Air Scouts and Air Explorers
  40. WTF – $ 2000 Hat Pin
  41. 1937 World Jamboree USA Contingent Flash
  42. Sea Scout Eagle Badge on White Twill
  43. 1935 Boy Scout National Jamboree Shoulder Tab and Patch
  44. Scouts De America
  45. World Brotherhood Camporee
  46. RWS: Chautauqua County, RARE-original style, gauze back
  47. Philmont Ranch Hand P2K Arrowhead
  48. Felt Vigil Sash on eBay
  49. Felt Flocked Vigil Sash
  50. 1948 OA Handbook Hardbound Edition – The Finale
  51. OA Belt Buckle
  52. Philmont Dollar Patch
  53. Knowledge is Power – The Silver Fawn Redone
  54. NY Pre-OA Honor Society – Order Of The White Swastika
  55. National Order of the Arrow Indian Seminar
  56. Ah Wa Ge OA Lodge 477 Neckerchief Slide
  57. A Look Back – The Silver Fawn
  58. Tahgajute Lodge #247 J3 Ceremonial Team Patch
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Half Moon Lodge #28 Bolo Slide

It has been a while since I last posted on NYS OA Neckerchief Slides or Bolos; but I recently acquired a bolo tie from Half Moon Lodge #28 in Kingston, NY.

As you can see, the bolo is a black arrowhead with the lodge totem. The Lodge name and number is gold-colored.

Half Moon Lodge #28 Bolo Slide

Half Moon Lodge #28 Bolo Slide

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That which has always been accepted by everyone, everywhere, is almost certain to be false.
Paul Valery
French critic & poet (1871 – 1945)

Table of contents for Neckerchief Slides

  1. Ranachqua Lodge #4 Neckerchief Slide
  2. Ktemaque Lodge #15 Neckerchief Slide
  3. Chappegat Lodge #15 Neckerchief Slide 25th Anniversary
  4. Shu Shu Gah Lodge #24 Neckerchief Slide 45th Anniversary
  5. Shu Shu Gah Lodge #24 Neckerchief Slide
  6. Buckskin Lodge #412 Neckerchief Slide L5
  7. Nacha Nimat Ldoge #86 Neckerchief Slide
  8. Ho De No Sau Nee Lodge #159 Neckerchief Slide
  9. Adirondack Lodge #357 Neckerchief Slide
  10. Kamargo Lodge #294 Neckerchief Slide
  11. Wakanda Lodge #186 Arrowree 1961 Neckerchief Slide
  12. Amo’Chk’ Lodge #339 Flap-Shaped Neckerchief Slide
  13. Buckskin Lodge #412 Neckerchief Slide
  14. Buckskin Lodge #412 Plaster Neckerchief Slide
  15. Thayendanegea Lodge #418 Neckerchief Slide
  16. Shinnecock Lodge #360 Neckerchief Slide
  17. Shu Shu Gah Lodge #24 Eluwak Chapter Bolo Tie
  18. Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 Metal Neckerchief Slide
  19. Grey Owl Neckerchief Slides
  20. Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 Area 2-D Conclave Slides
  21. Nischa-Nimat Lodge #181 Neckerchief Slide
  22. Grey Owl Neckerchief Slides – Update
  23. A Look Back – Adirondack Lodge #357 Neckerchief Slide
  24. Ranachqua Lodge #4 Neckerchief Slide – 2
  25. Discovery – Ranachqua Lodge #4 1955 Conclave
  26. Ranachqua Lodge #4 Birchbark Neckerchief Slide
  27. Half Moon Lodge #28 Bolo Slide
  28. What item in your collection means the most to you?
  29. AH Wa Ge Lodge #477 Neal Slide
  30. Area 2-D 1967 Conclave Neckerchief Slide
  31. Discovery – Buckskin Lodge L6
  32. Munsi Lodge #444 Neckerchief Slide
  33. Suanhacky Lodge #49 1958 Neckerchief Slide
  34. Sisilija Lodge #19 Neal Slide
  35. Update – Sislija Lodge #19 Neal Slide
  36. Mide Lodge #15 Hanigus Chapter L1
  37. Early Area 3A Neckerchief Slides
  38. Sisilija Lodge #19 Neal Slide
  39. Sisilija Lodge #19 Neckerchief Slide
  40. Gajuka Lodge #477 Neckerchief slide
  41. Tuscarora Lodge # 284 Neckerchief Slide
  42. Onteroraus Lodge #402 Neckerchief Slide
  43. Kamargo Lodge #294 Slide Farm Neckerchief Slide
  44. Man-A-Hattin Lodge #82 Neckerchief Slide
  45. Another Man-A-Hattin Lodge #82 Neckerchief Slide
  46. Manatoanna Lodge #461 L1 Slide/Bolo
  47. Ranacahqua Lodge #4 Neckerchief Slide #3
  48. Aquehongian Lodge #112 Wooden Neckerchief Slide
  49. Kamargo Lodge #294 Neckerchief Slides
  50. Shu Shu Gah Lodge #24 Totem Slide
  51. Order of the Arrow Neckerchief Slides
  52. Discovery – Mohawk Lodge #267 Neckerchief Slide L1
  53. Man-A-Hattin Lodge #82 1959 Summer Banquet Slide eNS1959
  54. Look Back – Suanhacky Lodge #49 1958 Neckerchief Slide
  55. Discovery – Suanhacky Lodge #49 eL1959
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Discovery – Half Moon Lodge #28 J5 or YJ1

Tom Wadnola has come across a previously unlisted Jacket Patch from Half Moon Lodge #28. It mirrors the design of the J3 or J4, but has a brown background rather than black. Is it a prototype or an unlisted issue? Both the J3 and J4 were Dance Team patches and were not issued in large quantities.

28J5 or 28YJ1? What do you think?

My initial inclination, is to call this the 28 YJ1 until more information can be uncovered. Can anyone provide any additional information?

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Walter Lippmann
US author & journalist (1889 – 1974)
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Section NE-2B 2008 Conclave

The last NE-2B conclave was held at Kittatiny Mountain Scout Reservation in June 2008. According to Howard Gordon, there were a

Total of 4 including the Service Corps patch (which will probably be in the Blue Book as a Sakuwit 2 Event patch): Participants patch, Jacket Patch BLK bdr (Trading Post), Jacket Patch GMY bdr (COC), Octagon Shaped Service Corps patch issued by / for Sakuwit 2 members (2X26? on OA Images.)

The pocket patch is shown below.

Section NE-3B 2008 Conclave Pocket Patch

There was also a participant pin (after the jump).

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