Ray Gould sends along an image of the ZF1 Fake Flap from Onondaga Lodge #516. This flap is currently not pictured on OA Images, so I’ll send a copy along to John too.
The Blue Book Currently describes it as:
ZF1 RED R YEL BRN 5×7 mm arrowhead
I think we need to add Crude uneven lettering in Lodge Name
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Gavin Murdoch continues to provide updates from his favorite collecting niche. This one is a previously unlisted fake from Nick Stoner Lodge #418.
I’ve also attached a scan of a Nick Stoner Fake which I picked up in the late 70’s. It does not appear to be like any of the fakes which are pictured on OAimages. It has a flat rolled edge. I don’t know who produced it. Much too
dark orange twill. Easy to distinguish from the real deal.
I questioned Gavin on the background color, since it appeared more of a red on my monitor. He replied…
The background is dark orange or perhaps could be called burnt orange
The Blue Book ZA1 is described as RED R ORG BLK NT; handmade
This patch clearly has twill right and whether the background is DOR or RED, it does not match the ZA1 description.
I would than tentatively label this the ZA1.5
ZA1.5 RED R DOR BLK - BLK 418, WWW TR
Our favorite auction site is the source of another apparent fake from the recently formed Kittan Lodge #364. This one is from the same seller as has listed the ’standard’ Green bordered S1 and the white bordered ZS1.
Now we can add a red bordered (likely) ZS2.
I recently posted on the new first flap from Kittan Lodge #364, the result of the absorption of Adirondack Council into Twin Rivers Council and the change in Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 to Kittan Lodge.
Recently a new seller appeared on eBay, Discountbar from Hunan China. He has be selling various types of patches including Scout Patches. Descriptions are generic, two piece sets are sold separately, CSP’s are referred to as OA, etc. There has been speculation on Patch-L, that this is another “Chang”; although likely not the same individual.
One of the OA flaps he had for auction was the Kittan S1. Both one traded from a lodge member and one from Hunan China are pictured below:
Can you tell which is which? I can’t from the scans. Actually the top one is direct from China. The only difference is the ‘import’ feels a bit flimsier like the Plastic Backing is not as thick. Could be a variation within the run or maybe it failed some sort of quality control. I have not seen any more of these issued by that seller; but unfortunately, it seems like there is no way to confidently tell them apart.
John Pannell had a similar post on his blog about the same seller.
Cleaning out my In-Box, I came across a few emails on an oddity from Half Moon Lodge I had been asked about. Three or four years ago, I had been given a color photocopy of an odd looking Half Moon Lodge #28 Flap. The person told me he had traded for it over a year ago and didn’t know anything else about it. The story I later heard from another individual, was that the patch may have been some sort of executive board issue but the person only had this information third or fourth hand.
I was never able to track down any further information, but last summer I exchanged a few emails with the Lodge Advisor Bob D. and another member of the Lodge Tom W.
Tom wrote:
I am sure it was never a official issue but I believe it was a concoction by 2 youth who have been maybe a bit disgruntle and you got this drawing to you. I have Copied Bob DxXxxxx the Lodge Advisor and the final decision is his but I have never seen the picture. I do remember seeing a flap put together with glue 1 side being pink and the other I can’t remember but again not an official issue by no means unless the LEC at that time privately voted as it was presented at some Lodge event (I think a Winter banquet) but again I do not remember or can I find anybody who remembers it being official.
Bob D. the Advisor wrote “Yes the patch from (our) earlier (correspondence) is a FAKE.
I am not able to provide a complete description since I cannot tell all of the details about the patch from the photocopy I have.
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