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Ten years ago in December 2005, we were talking about a newly discovered issue from Ganeodiyo Lodge #417.

This is a bleg for information regarding what is apparently an unlisted Neckerchief from Lodge #417 Ganeodiyo. The neckerchief is similar in design to the N1.5 but rather than having “61” in red, this one has “59” in red at the bottom of the neckerchief.

The N1.5 is dated “61” in 1961 the 2H Conclave was held at Crumhorn Mountain Scout Reservation which is the Council Camp of Onteroraus Lodge 402. Therefore the N1.5 would either be a NOAC Contingent Neckerchief (NOAC held in 1961) or and Area Conclave Contingent Neckerchief.

Since there was no NOAC in 1959 my best guess is both the 1961 and the 1959 neckerchiefs are Lodge Contingent Neckerchiefs to the 2H conclaves.

As you can see, the neckerchief is white with 2 red arrows, a red Area II-H and 59.

Matt Crance had later identified it as a Lodge #417 Contingent Neckerchief to the 1959 Area 2-H conclave.

Here is the 417 N1.5 Neckerchief.

Ganeodiyo Lodge #417 N1.5

The Area 2-H 1961 Conclave neckerchief is shown below.

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Two years ago in November 2012 we were posting about a possible Area 2-G 1961 Conclave Staff Neckerchief. At the least, the neckerchief diplays a different color silkscreening to the more common version.

Gary Moshier reported:

The black one I have looked very closely at and it has not washed and faded I do believe there was a Black Border and a Blue Border possibly making the Black Border a Staff

Area 2-G 1961 Conclave Staff Neckerchief?

I don’t know if it is a staff version, does anyone have more information?

The original neckerchief I posted has a blue silkscreened arrows and WWW in addition to a larger version of the patch sewn to it. The pocket path is a three inch round. The patch on the neckerchief is almost an oval approximately 3 7/8 inches by 4 1/8 inches tall.

This is a need of mine if anyone has one available.

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I had previously written about the 1961 Area 2-G Conclave which was held at Camp Russell and hosted by Kamargo Lodge #294.

Gary Moshier, just came across what may be a Staff neckerchief issued for the event. At the least it is a second variety. One Color is Blue and the other Color is Black

The original neckerchief I posted has a blue silkscreened arrows and WWW in addition to a larger version of the patch sewn to it. The pocket path is a three inch round. The patch on the neckerchief is almost an oval approximately 3 7/8 inches by 4 1/8 inches tall.

Gary’s version

The black one I have looked very closely at and it has not washed and faded I do believe there was a Black Border and a Blue Border possibly making the Black Border a Staff

Area 2-G 1961 Conclave Staff Neckerchief?

I don’t know if it is a staff version, does anyone have more information?

This is a need of mine if anyone has one available.

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An update to the post on the 1961 Section 2-G Area Conclave.Mark Eddy sends along images of the neckerchief slides which were also issued for the event.

Mark writes:

For the 1961 examples I have enclosed the red ones on the opposite bias saw cut. There may be an opposite cut for the blue example but I cannot remember.

Interestingly enough, the 1961 slides were cut from scrap shovel handles. They were obtained from Union Fork & Hoe in Frankfort, NY. Camp Russell is about 45 minutes north of Frankfort. Frankfort had Scout Troops and were in the old General Herkimer Council.

Here are is the red versions:

Area 2-G 1961 Red Neckerchief Slides

And the Blue version:

Area 2-G 1961 Blue Neckerchief Slide

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Another acquisition from the TOR in Rochester a couple of weeks back was a neckerchief from the 1961 Area 2-E Conclave.

The event was held at Camp Merz and hosted by Chautauqua Lodge #165.

1961 Area 2-E N

As far as I know, this was the only item issued for the event.

The OA Section List shows the following lodges composes Area 2-E at this time:

• Ty-Ohni Lodge #95
• Ganosote Lodge #159
• Chautauqua Lodge #165
• Tuscarora Lodge #284
• Amo’chk Lodge #339
• Tuighaunock Lodge #409
• Yokahú 506

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The 1961 Area 2-A Conclave was held at Camp Baiting Hollow and was hosted by Shinnecock Lodge #360. The theme for the conclave was “Gather the Clan.”

There were two items issued for the event, a pocket patch:

1961 Area 2-A Pocket Patch

and a silkscreened neckerchief:

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The 1961 Area 2-D Conclave was hosted by Loon Lodge #364 and held at Camp Bedford.

According to Rob Higgens’ OA Sections site, the Lodges in 2-D at the time were:

• Sisilija Lodge #19
• Half Moon Lodge #28
• Wakpominee Lodge #48
• Mahikan Lodge #181
• Mohawk Lodge #267
• Ta-Oun-Ya-Wat-Ha Lodge #268
• Loon Lodge #364
• Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418

There was at least a patch and silkscreened neckerchief with the patch issued for the event.

The Patch:

1961 Area 2-D Conclave Patch

and the neckerchief after the jump.

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