Articles from August 2007

Genesee Lodge #339 Fake Flap ZS1

I had previously linked to John’s post “New” Old Lodges Added, but wanted to highlight one issue of note for New York OA Collectors from this addition.

Now Genesee Lodge #339, a lodge which never issued a patch has its own fake.

Genesee Lodge #339 Fake Flap ZS1

Image courtesy of OA Iamges


Kittan Lodge #364 Fake ZS2?

Our favorite auction site is the source of another apparent fake from the recently formed Kittan Lodge #364. This one is from the same seller as has listed the ‘standard’ Green bordered S1 and the white bordered ZS1.

Now we can add a red bordered (likely) ZS2.

Kittan Lodge #364 Fake ZS2?

Table of contents for Kittan Fakes

  1. Kittan Lodge #364 ZS1?
  2. Kittan Lodge #364 Fake ZS2?
  3. Kittan Lodge #364 ZS3 – Another Fake

What do Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 and Echockotee Lodge 200, Saturiwa Chapter have in common?

Robert Mathis had a recent post on a chapter issue from Echockotee Lodge 200, Saturiwa Chapter R-1 . You can see the image below (courtesy of OAimages).

Echockotee Lodge 200, Saturiwa Chapter R-1 .

The Indian pictued on the patch looked awfully familiar. Take a look at this neckerchief:

Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 Amsterdam Chapter N1

Robert Mathis gives us the clue:

The Indian caricature was used by Saturiwa’s Shawnee District as far back as the 1970s, and permission was obtained from Mohawk Carpets to use their logo for this patch.

A little time with Google gives us Mohawk History:

Since its inception in 1878, outstanding products have made Mohawk the most recognized carpet brand in history. Mohawk Carpet Mills had its beginning in 1878 when four brothers from the Shuttleworth family brought 14 second hand looms from England to Amsterdam, New York.

and this little fella from a less politically correct time

The 1950s became a period of expansion for Mohawk. The Company moved south, constructing manufacturing facilities in Mississippi and South Carolina. In 1951, Walt Disney Studios designed “Tommy,” one of the most identifiable and effective company mascots in the history of American business. The “Tommy Mohawk” character was created for a series of animated television commercials with titles such as Tommy Tests Carpets, Tommy Plants Carpet Seeds, Tommy Falls for Minnie and others.

Tommy Mohawk


Our Founder’s Voice: Dr. E. Urner Goodman

Bill Topkis posted this message to Patch-L the other day.

At the 2006 NOAC Museum the film, Our Founder’s Voice: Dr E. Urner Goodman was shown on continuous loop. The short documentary was made by my oldest son Jake and this week he put it up on You Tube. To view the film: .

Our Founder’s Voice: Dr. E. Urner Goodman

Many of the images used in this clip picture early Unami and Treasure Island patches and other memorabilia


Mark your calendar’s….its coming soon… Don’t forget

National Talk Like A Pirate Day

National Talk Like a Pirate Day is coming. SEPTEMBER 19.


Modern Limited Rarities

There has been a thread on Patch-L regarding the effect of the issuance of “Modern Limited Rarities” by Lodges. This is where a single individual or small group is awarded a special limited run patch. Perhaps as a recognition for a job well done, to commemorate or section, region or national office or even for attending an event as a delegate. Here was my contribution to the discussion.

I agree that, in general, all lodge issues should be available to all lodge members although they should be only worn by those who are earned or are otherwise entitled to wear them.

Now of course as I’m a collector, I could be accused of a bit of bias.

One thing I think some LEC’s and their advisors lose sight of in their quest for “Limited Rarities” is who supports the lodge financially.

Most events run on a break even basis at best and in some cases are subsidized from general funds. Lodges are asked to support their councils and camps financially. A chief or LEC may have a pet project they want to push, and while not true of all lodges, many lodges are run off the profits from the box, the trunk, the trading post or whatever their resale area is called.

Who buys the items issued by the lodge? Of course many brothers by one or two of each issue for uniform wear, but is the collectors, traders and accumulators that buy the 5’s, 10’s and 25’s of each issue over time.

People who collect generally are looking to complete their checklist (now that could be from the Blue Book, some local list or one created by the individual). Each persons checklist will vary and change over time. It may contain just flaps or maybe flaps and neckerchiefs. As a collection expands, event patches and chapter or clan issues may be added.

One thing that I think is common to most collectors, is they need to be able to think you can complete a collection. It does not have to be easy, it could take years, it may cost more money than you think you are willing to spend; but you need to have a chance to be able to complete it.

When a “Modern Limited Rarity” is created, or too many are created within a single lodge; it can become impossible to complete a collection. While I may be able to rationalize that I’ll never get that elusive 50+ year old early issue because my pockets aren’t deep enough. I can hope to find one at a yard/garage sale and continue the quest.

If I can’t get one of the 12 item run “Modern Limited Rarity” issued to the special few, and can’t complete my collection because I’m missing 3 ‘specials’ issued over the last 5 years will I buy a dozen of the next lodge flap when it comes out?

I know more than one collector, who has stopped collecting their home lodge because of this very reason.

My $0.02.

What do you think?



100 Ways To Tell If You’re a Boy Scout

Rick Obermeyer passes along a list of 100 Ways To Tell If You’re a Boy Scout. The author of the list was Chris Harvey.

Of course I hear Jeff Foxworthy when I read it.

You might be a Boy Scout if …

1. You have missed the party of the year to go camping.

2. Dressed for dinner, to you, means knee high socks, green shorts with

matching belt, and a tan shirt.

3. Casually dressed means, knee high socks, green shorts with matching belt,

and a BSA t-shirt.

4. You constantly smell of tobacco even though you do not smoke.

5. Half your shirts are class b’s.

6. All your shorts are green.

7. Disappearing for weeks at a time doesn’t raise questions from your


8. You make less than a quarter an hour over you summers.

9. You have over 100 contact names in your cell phone just for BSA related


10. You know the Order of the Arrow has little to do with archery.