It’s On Again – 2 Boy Scout councils vote to merge

I had previously written about the Revolutionary Trails Council (RTC) and the Otschodela Council (OC) proposed merger of the two Councils in my post Off Again On Again.

While the merger was overwhelmingly approved by the RTC, it only had a small majority in the OC vote. Apparently NY Law requires a 2/3 majority for this type of consolidation.

A new vote is scheduled for November 16, 2015.

Well the votes are in.

Two local Boy Scout councils have just voted on the plan to become one. The Otschodela Trails Council – based in Oneonta – and the Revolutionary Trails Council – based in Utica – have started the merger process.

The new larger council will serve 3400 scouts across six counties. The merger must be finalized by New York State and the National Office of the Boy Scouts of America.

It’s anticipated that the process will be completed in several months and that includes forming a new executive board. The corporate office and executive director’s office will be in Utica, but the Oneonta office will remain open.

Leaders say that the two councils can do more together than separately.

– See more at: http://www.wktv.com/news/2_Boy_Scout_councils_vote_to_merge.html#sthash.fIV7U5KJ.dpuf

From the Revolutionary Trails Scout Exec.

The Otschodela and Revolutionary Trails Councils of the Boy Scouts of America are pleased to announce that we have voted to merge our Councils. As a result, a new and larger Council will be created to serve over 3,400 youth across six counties in central New York. An Executive Board comprised equally of members from the two former councils will govern the new Council. As an exciting bonus for our youth, we will be reaching out to them for their input on the name of our great new Council.

Merger discussions began eight months ago around a shared goal of attracting more youth to Scouting and creating a better Scouting experience for all. As neighboring Councils, it was a logical step to reach out and work together.



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Off Again – On again Merger Talks

I had previously written about the Revolutionary Trails Council (RTC) and the Otschodela Council (OC) proposed merger of the two Councils.

While the merger was overwhelmingly approved by the RTC, it only had a small majority in the OC vote. Apparently NY Law requires a 2/3 majority for this type of consolidation.

National however felt otherwise:

This simple majority satisfied the requirements of BSA, but not the requirements of the State of New York. The state requires a 2/3 majority, thus the merger was defeated. Following that vote, our Area Director informed us that we would not be allowed to conduct a search for a Scout Executive and must merge with another council to meet the minimum standards set by the national office. Our future is in our hands and we are forced to make some timely decisions.

In the wake of the defeat, an Ad-hoc committee (with a majority of members speaking against the original merge) was formed to take a closer look at our neighboring councils to consider which one(s) we should consider for a merge. The results of that committee’s findings are attached. Some local councils would present financial challenges, others would force the closure of Henderson.

The Committee felt it was best to:

…continue talks with Revolutionary Trails, as we address the three issues that appear to be of the utmost concern for people who are on “both sides of the fence”, 1) the preservation of Henderson Scout Reservation, 2) assurance that our financial situation is secure and 3) a continued office presence in the Oneonta area.

A new vote is scheduled for November 16, 2015.



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Onteroraus Lodge #402 OA Centennial Flap S60

Here is Onteroraus Lodge #402’s entry for the OA Centennial, utilizing elements of their early and recent flap designs.

Onteroraus Lodge #402 OA Centennial Flap S60

Onteroraus Lodge #402 OA Centennial Flap S60

The stats for this one are:
S60 M/C R M/C M/C RED FDL; YEL Centennial 1915-2015 OA100 Logo



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Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S58

Here is the first of two 2015 NOAC Flaps from Onteroraus Lodge #402. My understanding is there was some controversy on this issue. It was commissioned directly by a lodge member and reluctantly accepted by the LEC after the fact. They made some changes to the design and later issued a second NOAC flap.

Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S58

Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S58

I’ve heard that any unsold flaps from this run will be destroyed at a lodge function later this month.

the stats are:
S 58 BLK R RED WHT – WHT NOAC 2015 OA100 logo



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Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S59

Here is the second of two 2015 NOAC Flaps from Onteroraus Lodge #402. My understanding is there was some controversy on the earlier issue. Some changes were made to the initial and this version was issued.

Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S59

Onteroraus Lodge #402 2015 NOAC Flap S59

Changes were made to the background color, removing some illegible text and adding a FDL.

The stats are:
S59 BLK R M/C WHT ORG FDL; WHT NOAC 2015 OA100 logo



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Onteroraus Lodge #402 Section NE-3B 2015 NOAC Flap S57

As has happened for previous NOAC’s, Section NE-3B issued a set of flaps for the 2015 NOAC. The 5 Lodges in Section NE-3B are Ga-Hon-Ga Lodge #34, Otahnagon Lodge #172, Ajapeu Lodge #351, Kittan Lodge #364, and Onteroraus Lodge #402. Ajapeu Lodge #351 is the only lodge which is not from New York State. The flaps share a common design and the version for Onteroraus Lodge #364 is shown below.

Onteroraus Lodge #402 Section NE-3B 2015 NOAC Flap S57

Onteroraus Lodge #402 Section NE-3B 2015 NOAC Flap S57

The stats for this one are:
S57 SAL R M/C YEL BLU FDL; RED 2015 NOAC, Headwaters Paddle Onward Section NE-3B



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Two Local Boy Scout Councils Consider Consolidation

As reported by WKTV,

Over the past month, the Revolutionary Trails Council (RTC) and the Otschodela Council (OC) have been working on a comprehensive and detailed feasibility study to examine the possible consolidation of the two Councils.

The new Boy Scout Council would include over 3,500 Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts from over six counties. If the consolidation goes through, it would make the new Council one of the strongest in the state.

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“It makes sense that two strong Councils can do more together than separately” said Rick Bamberger, Council President of the Otschodela Council headquartered in Oneonta. “If the feasibility study results show that this is the right thing to do, then we are going to harness the combined strengths of both of our Councils to offer a world-class Scouting experience to our Scouts and volunteer leaders.”

The affected OA Lodges would be Ga Hon Ga Lodge #34 and Onteroraus Lodge #402.

Meetings will take place in both councils over the next few weeks.



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