New York OA Trader

Forget the formatting, but here is a breakdown of Area 7 which will have 2 Sections. Section NE-7A with 3 GNYC Lodges and 3 NJ Lodges. And Section NE-7B which will have the 2 remaining GNYC Lodges with the rest of Long Island and 3 ‘upstate’ NYS Lodges.

2008 Section Council Name Council # Lodge Name Previous Section Cncl City
Area 7
Section 7A
Northern New Jersey 333 Lenapehoking IX NE-2B Oakland
Central New Jersey 352 Sakuwit NE-2B Princeton
Patriot’s Path 358 Woalpalanne NE-2B Mountainside
GNYC - Brooklyn 642 Shu-Shu-Gah NE-2C NY - Brooklyn
GNYC - Manhattan 643 Man-a-Hattin NE-2C NY - Manhattan
GNYC - Staten Island 645 Aquehongian NE-2C NY - Staten Island
6 Section Lodges

Section 7B
Hudson Valley 374 Nacha Nimat NE-2C Salisbury Mills
Theodore Roosevelt 386 Buckskin NE-2B Massapequa
Westchester-Putnam 388 Ktemaque NE-2C Hawthorne
Suffolk County 404 Shinnecock NE-2B Medford
Rip Van Winkle 405 Half Moon NE-3B Kingston
GNYC - Bronx 641 Ranachqua NE-2C NY - Bronx
GNYC - Queens 644 Suanhacky NE-2C NY - Queens

7 Section Lodges

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A couple on months back, I posted on the 2008 Realignment of the Northeast Region of the BSA and its likely effects on the various OA Sections in New York. This was based on the original post on John Pannells site.

I have just received what is reportedly the composition of the OA Sections (from 2 different sources) which I will post on later tonight or tomorrow, once I have had a chance to absorb the information.

The first thing is that the 5 GNYC Lodges which have always been if the same section or area since Area C in the 1940’s are now being split up. The world is rent, the center cannot hold!

It was reported that NE7 would include:

It seems that there will be these lodges will be split into 2 Sections NE-7A and NE-7B. Shu Shu Gah #24, Man-a-Hattin Lodge #82 and Aquehongian Lodge #112 will be in the half of the Section with the NJ Lodges. Ranachqua #4 and Suanhacky #49 will be with the upstate NY Lodges (and Long Island).

More details to follow.

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I recently came across another neckerchief slide from Ranachqua Lodge #4. This one is different from the Ranachqua slide I had previously posted over on over a year ago. I’m not sure if this issue predates the previous or is a later issue. This is is a clear hard plastic side with the owl image in black and a black WWW on its chest. It is not the usual Ranachqua owl seen on much of their memorabilia.

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Haven’t followed up on this theme for a while, but I will be going through the GNYC Lodges one at a time and posting on the toughest pieces (or lack of them) from each lodge.

First up is Ranachqua Lodge #4, from The Bronx.

The single toughest (and most expensive) piece from this lodge is the first Chenille (C1).  Reportedly there were only 2 of these chenille made, both for Chief William Stumpp, the first chief of Ranachqua Lodge.  Only one is known to exist today and has sold for approximately $25,000.  I believe that this may be the highest priced OA item ever sold, or was at the time of the sale.

The early arrowheads from this lodge are also seldom seen with only a handful known to exist. 

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A year ago we pictured the Ranachqua Lodge #4 eA1959.  While listed in the Blue Book, at the time and image was not available at the Internet Guide to OA Insignia.

What issue from your New York State OA Lodge still needs an image at OAimages?

An item recently appeared on eBay purportedly from Ranachqua Lodge #4. This small beaded strip, does have the owl totem of Ranachqua Lodge and a red WWW. The bead colors, shape of the owl and overall design does match what was being used by the lodge during that time frame in its neckerchiefs. I have no reason to doubt it is from Ranachqua, but have no independent confirmation either.

It is not an issue that would be listed in the Blue Book, but does anyone know its provenance or confirm its use by the lodge?

John Tegtmeier previously had shared the sewout of the new Ranachqua Lodge neckerchief tentatively designated the N15. The neckerchief are now in, and in the scan at least, there are no discernible differences. John advises the Black Cloth and Green Piping represent the Lodge colors.  John further advises “Run of 100, produced by Stadri Emblems.”

N15 DGR P BLK M/C M/C FDL’s 1BLK, 1 GRN; Emb. Name BLK/GRN; BLK WWW, Lodge No.4 1920, Design of P1

John Tegtmeier shares a scan of the sewout for a new neckerchief from Ranachqua Lodge #4. While there may be some minor variations when the order is received, this will be the new N15.  Apparently it is restricted to Lodge members only, but unrestricted within the Lodge.

Assuming no changes to the design or neckerchief, the Blue Book stats would be:
N15 DGR P BLK M/C M/C FDL’s 1BLK, 1 GRN; Emb. Name BLK/GRN; BLK WWW, Lodge No.4 1920, Design of P1

While it has never been one of my priority collections, ovet time I have accumulated a number of neckerchief slides and bolos from various lodges in New York State. Over the next few weeks, I will post on the items I have found. In a few cases, I may have a duplicate available for trade for similar items. If I do, I will mention it in the post.

The first item is a white plastic neckerchief slide from Ranachqua Lodge #4 from The Bronx, NY with the design in Red.

A few bits of information I’ve heard relating to New York Lodges.  Not enough for individual posts, but enough to share.  In each case I’m looking for more information, images and of course trades.

• Ranachqua #4 - One more in a flurry of new issues.  I understand that a new neckerchief is in the works.  More info as it becomes available.
•  Ktemaque #15 - I understand that two new issues have been released. Looking for scans and or trades.
• Half Moon #28 - a design for a new trader has been selected and is (?) on order.
• Suanhacky #49 - Apparently the 2006 TOR was the last.  The current word is the Lodge will not be hosting a TOR this November.
• Ty-Ohni #95 - will be hosting a TOR in late April.  Looking for details to post to the site and/or provide a link.
• Ho-De-No-Sau-Nee #159 - Mike Hulsizer brings word of multiple new issues from 159.  A regular flap, officers issue and banquet patch.  I will likely be posting on these next week.
• Kayanernh-Kowa #219 - while not hosted by the lodge, there will be a TOR on June 9, 2007 in Camp Woodlands.  unfortunately as previously reported, Half Moon will be hosting a TOR the same weekend.
• Kittan- has approved a new design for a regular issue flap.  No word on whether they will follow the Loon restrictions or adopt the Haudenosaunee #19 unrestricted regular issues.
• Kittan - Speaking of lodge #19.  I understand the issue of the "number" for Kittan is not final.  While initial word was that they would use #364 the Council Number, a motion has been made to change the "number" back to #19.  Of course the number only exists in the local lodge and not with National.

Anyone else have any information to share?