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The 1961 Area 2-H Conclave was held at Crumhorn Mountain Scout Reservation and hosted by Onteroraus Lodge #402.  According to Don Tuttle’s Onteroraus Checklist the Area 2-H consisted of

eight lodges comprised Area 2H, which covered an area of half of Central New York State. The eight lodges and their totems included: Onteroraus (three mountains), Otahnagon (pine tree), Ahwagee (Indian), Seneca (Indian head), Wakanda (bear’s head), Chi Sigma (Fontenac Falls), Ganeodiyo (Turtle), and Tahgajute (Thunderbird).

The three-day conclave, which began on September 1, presented costumed Indian dance contests and the Tap Out Ceremony to the public. In a local newspaper article about the 1961 conclave, the Order of the Arrow was billed as “a nationwide society within Scouting dedicated to the preservation of Indian Customs.”

The neckerchief issued for the event pictured the lodge totems:

There was also a hat-shaped pocket patch issued for the event.

Is anyone aware of any other items issued for this conclave?

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Don Tuttle who maintains the Onteroraus Lodge checklist at his website, Scoutgraphics Ink USA is looking for some images.

Since returning from the WSJ, I’ve had a little time to add a couple new conclave neckerchiefs to the Onteroraus checklist. They include:

1984 NE-2D SECTION CONCLAVE, Camp Tuscarora neckerchief
1985 “WE WHO LOVE THE WOODS AND CAMPING” 2-D neckerchief

The ‘85 neckerchief includes a standing bear in the design which I assume represents Wakanda Lodge (Stuben Area Council, Bath, NY), lodge hosts for the conclave that year.

I have not seen any patches associated with these neckers but assume they exist. If any NY OA collectors can provide a scan of these, I would be glad to add them to my website at http://www.scoutgraphicsink.com. Click on Lodge Flaps and Other Memorabilia.

Can anyone help him out with some scans?

I had previously posted on a Section Patch from NE-2B, based on the responses to that posting, it was determined that it was not a Section Conclave issue, and was issued by the Section in the period from after the 1988 Conclave and prior to the Nischa Nimat Lodge #181 merger in September 1990.

Below we have what appears to be another Section NE-2B patch. Based on the lodges listed (Half Moon #28, Skanondo #64, Onteroraus #402, Nooteeming #443, and Munsi #444), it must have been issued after the September 1990 merger of Nischa Nimat Lodge #181 and prior to the 1994 Section realignments.

The patch contains the totems of the 5 lodges in the section and an Iroquois Longhouse.

Based on the information provided on the earlier patch, I don’t think it is a n undated Section Conclave issue. I know it is nit a conclave issues from 1991 or 1994 since I have both.

Can anyone confirm that it is not a conclave patch put a closer date on when it was issued?

The reason for my updated description of the Onteroraus Lodge #402 OBV set will hopefully now become clear. Don Tuttle, the Lodge Historian had advised me that there was a newly ordered Brotherhood flap in the new OBV Series. As you can see in the scan below, the lower right branch on the birch tree, now has leaves.

Here is a close-up of the branch.

Blue Book Stats:
S47 DGR R M/C BLU DGR FDL; Spring Scene, leaves on lower rightmost birch tree branch CD Brotherhood

The Third in the updated OBV Spring, Winter,Fall set from Onteroraus Lodge #402 is the Vigil flap. The S44 is a computer designed version of the S28. Without the issues side by side, the most telling difference is the Blue/Light Blue sky. There are several other smaller difference, a lighter green tress and more detailed FDL in the S44.

Blue Book Description:
S44 BLU R M/C BLK WHT FDL; Winter Scene, no leaves on lower rightmost birch tree branch, grn evergreen trees CD Vigil

The Second in the updated OBV Spring, Winter,Fall set from Onteroraus Lodge #402 is the Brotherhood flap.

The S43 is a computer designed version of the S27. Without the issues side by side, the most telling difference is the flat white sky. There are several other smaller difference, a darker green border and FDL. And at least in my specimens, the S43 CD version is slightly smaller than the Swiss S27.

My S43 flap is 127mm in length vs. about 130mm for the S27. This is about the thickness of the border.

Blue Book Stats:
S43 DGR R M/C BLU DGR FDL; Spring Scene, no leaves on lower rightmost tree branch CD Brotherhood

Don Tuttle has brought word of a new issue from Onteroraus Lodge #402. Before I get to it, I need to report on some other new issues which will require me to renumber the 2006 NOAC flap (previously the S42 now S45) and the 2006 NOAC Section NE-3B Flap from Lodge 402 (previously the S43 now S46).

The first issue here is the S42. This is the updaated version of the S26 Ordeal Flap. As you can see from the scan below, the S26 has Swiss Embroidery and the new S42 is Computer Designed (CD), the border is also a Darker Red.

Blue Book Description:
S42 DRD R M/C ORG DGR FDL; Fall Scene, no leaves on lower rightmost tree branch CD Ordeal

I had previously blogged about an undiscovered Lodge #402 Neckerchief variation here.

Well it looks like I’ve uncovered another one. This one, while not Mint in Package, appears unused and unwashed, although their is some faint discoloring in the white cloth above the Lodge name.

This version has a Bright Blue Background and Dark Brown Lodge Name, Tree Trunk and Branch.

Don Tuttle, the Lodge 402 historian, believes there was only one order of these neckerchiefs.  I do have 3 distinct color variations, however.  Are they prototypes?  Does anyone else have more than the LBL variety?

Blue Book Style Stats:
N5 or YN1? - - WHT DBR - M/C TRI SSC design DBR Tree trunk and Branch, BBL Background

I recently acquired what I believe to be the ‘missing’ variation (at least from my collection) of the Lodge 402 R2.

The Blue book describes the difference as in the R2 a and b varieties as follows:
The R2a is described as having “darker GRN mountains” and the R2b as having  “Mint GRN mountains.”

As you can see from the  scans below, there is a difference in the greens;  one lighter and one darker.  Is this the 2 variations?  Does anyone out there have both varieties with a more pronounce color difference?  If so could you please provide clear side-by-side scans for me to post.

Updated 5-1-07 to reflect corrected Blue Book Issue 

In addition to the 2-piece set, Onteroraus Lodge #402 also issued a flap from the Section NE-3B set their S43. Each Lodge in the section, has used a common design, with their individual name appearing on the signpost with the mileage from the Council Headquarters to NOAC. Images supplied by George Jennings.

Blue Book Stats:
S 46 BLK R M/C BLK WHT FDL; BLK WWW, NE 3B, YEL NOAC 2006, Michigan State University part of NE 3B Section Set