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Another set of images, this time for the last Area 2-D Conclave held in 1972. thanks to Tom Wadnola for these images.  The conclave was hosted by Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418 and held at Woodworth Lake.

First is the arrowhead-shaped pocket patch.

and next is the silk-screened neckerchief of the same design.

Were there any other issues for this event?

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Tom Wadnola provides a scan of the round patch issued for the 1963 Area 2-A Conclave. The neckerchief is from my collection, but I need the patch. As indicated on both the patch and the neckerchief, the conclave was held at Woodworth Lake. That would make the host lodge, Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418.

and the neckerchief:

Is anyone aware of any other items issued for this conclave?

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I commented in a post on a neckerchief slide from Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418, that I had heard anecdotally that the neckerchief which had been designated the N1 by the Blue Book was actually the Section 2-D Conclave neckerchief from that year. You can see a picture of the neckerchief below.

Gavin Murdoch has done some research, and sent the following information.

Last evening I spoke with Brian CXXXXX, who was the418 Lodge Chief during the mid 60’s. He designed N2, the white one with yellow piping. He also designed the round Neckerchief slide with the wolf head that goes with it which you have previously pictured. Prior to then 418 did not have a lodge neckerchief.

Lodge members simply wore neckerchiefs from the conclaves. With the other 2D lodges sporting their own neckerchiefs he figured that it was time for 418 to

get on board. His art work was superb. He also mentioned that the 418 S1 cut edge was referred to as the “pile of rocks” since the gray sitting wolf pictured looked more like a pile of rocks than a sitting howling wolf. He said that the neckerchief previously identified as N1 was not issued from the lodge but was given out at the 1956 conclave. He also confirmed that the copper slide was from the 1956 conclave. Brian is still active though it is in a council in Conn.

I’d like to hear more information particularly from someone who would have attended the 1956 2-D Conclave. But Gavin (and Brian’s) information would seem to agree with things I have heard in the past.

Gavin Murdoch sends along another 2 neckerchief slides from Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418 when they were the host for the 1963 Area 2-D Conclave.

The red slide was for all participants while the black was given to the host lodge members. Therefore the host members got 2 slides and the visitors got one,

however most of those in attendance went home with 2 or more! They are plastic and were made by Artcraft Mgt.Co. of Grand Rapids Michigan.No idea why they owl and Thunderbird are part of the design.

If you check out the images in two recent posts, the first on a Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 neckerchief slide provided by Gavin Murdoch and in an earlier post on a Adirondack Lodge #357 Neckerchief slide provided by Ray Gould you can see the similarities. In the Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea post, I recounted the following memory.

The slide reminds me of slides sold by Grey Owl which back in the day (late 1960’s and early 1970’s) sold several of these types of slides both plain and with various totems. It was a long subway ride out to nearly the end of the line in Queens, NY to get supplies for Ritual and Dance outfits.

In the comments Ray reminded me of his submission and that woke a memory.

After some digging I came across the neckerchief slide pictured below which I am 99% certain came from Grey Owl. (It was 35+ years ago) Since Shu Shu Gah Lodge’s totem was a Heron, which was not available, I picked up the generic slide below which in place of the totems on the two previous samples, pictures a Native American.

I’ll try to get a better image in the next few days.

Grey Owl may have only been a retailer of these slide and they could have been available from multiple sources.

Gavin Murdoch sends along a scan of another slide from Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418 along with his thoughts on its provenance.

The copper metal is black on the reverse and what appears to be copper painted or enameled..  The numbers and lettering is engraved down to the black. There looks like some wearing of the copper which then shows black. I also think that this was issued for the1956 2D conclave which was hosted by 418 at our summer camp Woodworth Lake.  I won’t swear to this but it all fits.

Can anyone else confirm the origins of this slide?

Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea Lodge #418 also issued a neckerchief, categorized by the Blue Book as the N1 pictured below.

I have heard in the past, that this neckerchief is not truly the N1 from the lodge, but rather the Area 2-D Conclave neckerchief from 1956.

Can anyone shed any light on this issue too?  Hopefully this would include documentation from the Conclave Program or something definitive from the Lodge records.

Gavin Murdoch sends along this scan of a neckerchief slide used by Thay-En-Da-Ne-Gea #418 in the 1970’s.

The slide reminds me of slides sold by Grey Owl which back in the day (late 1960’s and early 1970’s) sold several of these types of slides both plain and with various totems. It was a long subway ride out to nearly the end of the line in Queens, NY to get supplies for Ritual and Dance outfits.

These days Grey Owl is an Internet Store and located in New Jersey. I have no interest or affiliation with them but not they carry beaded sashes on their site; but I don’t see neckerchief slides or OA belt buckles any where on the site.