New York OA Trader

I recently posted on the new first flap from Kittan Lodge #364, the result of the absorption of Adirondack Council into Twin Rivers Council and the change in Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 to Kittan Lodge.

Recently a new seller appeared on eBay, Discountbar from Hunan China. He has be selling various types of patches including Scout Patches. Descriptions are generic, two piece sets are sold separately, CSP’s are referred to as OA, etc. There has been speculation on Patch-L, that this is another “Chang”; although likely not the same individual.

One of the OA flaps he had for auction was the Kittan S1. Both one traded from a lodge member and one from Hunan China are pictured below:

Can you tell which is which? I can’t from the scans. Actually the top one is direct from China. The only difference is the ‘import’ feels a bit flimsier like the Plastic Backing is not as thick. Could be a variation within the run or maybe it failed some sort of quality control. I have not seen any more of these issued by that seller; but unfortunately, it seems like there is no way to confidently tell them apart.

John Pannell had a similar post on his blog about the same seller.

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Updated: I wanted two add two points to the post:

1. As Dave Scocca points out in the comments, the Lodge is referring to itself as Lodge #364 on its web-page.
2. Jonathan Grove asked me to explain the old Lodge Restrictions - Haudenosaunee Lodge #19’s regular issues were unrestricted although they did have some NOAC Delegate issues and an Honor Guard neckerchief that had a very limited issuance. Loon Lodge #364 had the reverse. Some of their anniversaries and NOAC issues were unrestricted, but all of their regular issues were tightly restricted including their one per member Death Flap.

Eric G brings word that Kittan Lodge (the result of the merger between Loon Lodge #364 and Haudenosaunee Lodge #19) has now issued its First Flap. Apparently, they will be following the Haudenosaunee tradition regarding restrictions rather than the Loon traditions.

Apparently, the Lodge totem is the Porcupine. Neither the Lodge “Number” nor Council Number appears on the flap.

Blue Book Stats:
S1 LGR R M/C RED DBL FDL; RED WWW Porcupine climbing Birch tree First Flap

I have several information nodules that have been passed on to me from around the state. If you have any new information about your New York Lodge or Chapter, please send it along to share with the rest of the readers of the blog. As always, I’m looking to trade for or buy any new issues from New York State OA Lodges and Chapters.

In no particular order:

• Buckskin Lodge #412 will be issuing a patch for their recent lodge banquet held at the end of December 2006. The patch was limited to one per attendee. Those who were at the banquet drew a number at random and that will be the number of their particular patch. I understand that the numbers will be directly embroidered into the design as have several of their previous lodge and chapter issues. Looking for a scan from one of the Buckskin brothers when this is issued.
• Suanhacky Lodge #49 also issued a dinner patch from its banquest a couple of weeks back and subsequently issued a new regular issue flap. I hope to have images and both in hand shortly.
• Cory Haynes from Loon Lodge #364 recently advised that “I just found out today from the Loon Lodge Advisor that the sunset flap will be issued 1 per current 2006 registered lodge member, and not be available for the public (unfortunately this is what the youth voted to do).” Looking for a scan of this one too (and a trade would be nice).
• Separately I have also heard that Kittan Lodge #364 will be voting (re-voting?) on whether to use the number #19 or 364. Also they are considering amongst several designs for their first flap.
• George Jennings brings word from Otahnagon Lodge #172 that while they issued an event patch for last years banquet, there was no patch issued for this years event.
• Half Moon #28 has also requested designs from its members for a new trading flap. No word on when it will be voted on.
• Ktemaque Lodge #15 has issued 2 new patches, no word on what type or design. Does anyone else have any information on these?
• Shinnecock Lodge #360 will issue a special 60th Anniversary Lodge Flap in 2007. This special flap will reportedly replace the normal lodge flap during this 2007 only. It will be issued to new brothers at the conclusion of their Ordeal Weekend.

Your lodge not mentioned here?

Send me some information.

In addition to the 2-piece set and the 3 CSP’s (more on those shortly) the Loon Lodge also issued a flap from the Section set their S21 as part of the Section NE-3B set. Each Lodge in the section, has used a common design, with their individual name appearing on the signpost with the mileage from the Council Headquarters to NOAC. Images supplied by George Jennings.

Blue Book Style Stats:
S 21 BLK R M/C BLK WHT FDL; BLK WWW, NE 3B, YEL NOAC 2006, Michigan State University part of NE 3B Section Set

Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 and Loon Lodge #364 have issued a combined 2006 NOAC Set. Both Lodges travelled together to NOAC and issued a two-piece set for the event which contains the names of both lodges. Following earlier Blue Book conventions, the patches will be listed under both Lodges (with their individual issue numbers). This is similar to NOAC issues from Skanando #64, Nooteeming #443 and Munsi #444 prior to their merger to Nacha Nimat in the mid 1990’s.

Blue Book Stats:
19 Haudenosaunee S 13 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 Loon BLK 19 w/X7 issued in conjunction with Loon Lodge 364
19 Haudenosaunee X 7 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 at M.S.U., 19, 364 Twin rivers Council; w/S13 Loon issued in conjunction with Loon Lodge 364
364 Loon S 20 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 Loon BLK 19 w/X2 issued in conjunction with Haudenosaunee #19
364 Loon X 2 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 at M.S.U., 19, 364 Twin rivers Council; w/S20 issued in conjunction with Haudenosaunee #19

As has been its practice for the last several NOAC’s Section NE-3B will be issuing a Section set composed of 8 flaps (one for each lodge) and a backpatch with each lodges name,

The lodges in NE-3B include:  Haudenausee #19, Half Moon #28, Ga Hon Ga #34, Otahnagon #172, Kayanernh-Kowa #219, Tahgajute #247, Loon #364, and Onteroraus #402.

Here is an artists rendition of the Jacket Patch.

John Papp via Bruce Raver also brings word of an unlisted chapter issue from Rushing River Chapter of Loon Lodge #364.

Blue Book Style stats:
R1 YEL R M/C GRN PUR FDL; RED Loon Lodge No. 364 WWW

And another one bites the dust….

Bruce Raver recently reported on Patch-L on the merger (absorbtion) of Adirondack Council into Twin Rivers Council.

For those who have not yet heard, Adirondack Council and Twin Rivers Council have merged. Below is the text of the article in the latest issue of the
Twin Rivers Council newsletter “Signals” sent to adult volunteers.
Adirondack Council’s area will become the Adirondack District of Twin Rivers
Council. Perhaps it’s more accurate to say that Adirondack Council was
“absorbed.”
I have not heard anything yet about the impact to the lodges. When
Wakpominee Lodge 48 merged with Ganienkeh Lodge 19 in 1998, they became the
Wakpominee Chapter of the new Haudenosaunee Lodge 19. No telling what the
youth members will decide on, but a new lodge name could be in the making.
I’ll post additional news as it becomes available.
An interesting side note for numbers people: Loon Lodge 364 coincidentally
shares the same number as the Twin Rivers Council (#364), so maybe Loon
won’t completely lose its old number if lodges are known by their council
number!

The old Adirondack Council Webpage now is renamed Adirondack District with a link to the Twin Rivers Council homepage. No news on the Loon Lodge website or the
Haudenosaunee Lodge website at this writing.

Loon Lodge has issued its first 2-piece set for its Lodge contingent to the 2005 National Jamboree.

364SX 2005 Jambo Set