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Updated: I wanted two add two points to the post:

1. As Dave Scocca points out in the comments, the Lodge is referring to itself as Lodge #364 on its web-page.
2. Jonathan Grove asked me to explain the old Lodge Restrictions - Haudenosaunee Lodge #19’s regular issues were unrestricted although they did have some NOAC Delegate issues and an Honor Guard neckerchief that had a very limited issuance. Loon Lodge #364 had the reverse. Some of their anniversaries and NOAC issues were unrestricted, but all of their regular issues were tightly restricted including their one per member Death Flap.

Eric G brings word that Kittan Lodge (the result of the merger between Loon Lodge #364 and Haudenosaunee Lodge #19) has now issued its First Flap. Apparently, they will be following the Haudenosaunee tradition regarding restrictions rather than the Loon traditions.

Apparently, the Lodge totem is the Porcupine. Neither the Lodge “Number” nor Council Number appears on the flap.

Blue Book Stats:
S1 LGR R M/C RED DBL FDL; RED WWW Porcupine climbing Birch tree First Flap

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Mike Hulsizer and Marty Abramson both bring word of two new 40th Anniversary flaps from Ho De No Sau Nee Lodge #159.

Both flaps list the names and numbers of the predecessor lodges Ganosote #159 and Tuscarora #284.

The second is an Officer and Advisors issue. The design is the same, but the border color has been changed to white.

Marty reported that,”The White Border was given to past Lodge Chiefs and Advisors” and Mike advised, “The other will be for current Lodge officers, past Lodge Chiefs, and Lay Advisors to be presented at the Lodge Dinner.”

It is pictured below:

Blue Book style stats:
S41 WHT R M/C YEL YEL FDL; RED WWW, 40; YEL 1947 2007 GRN Ganosote 159 and Tuscarora 285 - Officers Issue

Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 has isssued a 2006 NOAC Flap their S14 as part of the Section NE-3B set. Each Lodge in the section, has used a common design, with their individual name appearing on the signpost with the mileage from the Council Headquarters to NOAC. Images supplied by George Jennings.

Tentative Blue Book Stats:
S 14 BLK R M/C BLK WHT FDL; BLK WWW, NE 3B, YEL NOAC 2006, Michigan State University part of NE 3B Section Set

Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 and Loon Lodge #364 have issued a combined 2006 NOAC Set. Both Lodges travelled together to NOAC and issued a two-piece set for the event which contains the names of both lodges. Following earlier Blue Book conventions, the patches will be listed under both Lodges (with their individual issue numbers). This is similar to NOAC issues from Skanando #64, Nooteeming #443 and Munsi #444 prior to their merger to Nacha Nimat in the mid 1990’s.

Blue Book Stats:
19 Haudenosaunee S 13 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 Loon BLK 19 w/X7 issued in conjunction with Loon Lodge 364
19 Haudenosaunee X 7 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 at M.S.U., 19, 364 Twin rivers Council; w/S13 Loon issued in conjunction with Loon Lodge 364
364 Loon S 20 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 Loon BLK 19 w/X2 issued in conjunction with Haudenosaunee #19
364 Loon X 2 BLK C BLU RED YEL FDL; RED WWW, NOAC 2006 at M.S.U., 19, 364 Twin rivers Council; w/S20 issued in conjunction with Haudenosaunee #19

As has been its practice for the last several NOAC’s Section NE-3B will be issuing a Section set composed of 8 flaps (one for each lodge) and a backpatch with each lodges name,

The lodges in NE-3B include:  Haudenausee #19, Half Moon #28, Ga Hon Ga #34, Otahnagon #172, Kayanernh-Kowa #219, Tahgajute #247, Loon #364, and Onteroraus #402.

Here is an artists rendition of the Jacket Patch.

Dave Scocca notes an error in the Blue Book Listings:

“I’m working on checking my lodge 75th anniversary collection against the BB5 listing (as per OAImages.com) and found an inconsistency.

The BB listing has Haudenosaunee Lodge #19’s Sisilija Chapter having a single flap issue, listed as F1. I have the pictured flap, and it’s undeniably a solid.

Should that simply be listed as the S1?”

Dave is correct as you see from the image below, the flap should be listed as the S1. Unfortunately BB VI is closed for edits, so this correction will have to wait for BB VII.

David Fritts writes,

“The Haudenosaunee Lodge 19 2005 National Jamboree 2 piece patch sets have just come in. The patch is a mixture of our previous lodge flaps. The first section is our night flap, the second is the day flap, and the third is our current sunset patch. Inclosed is a scan of the patch.”

I undertand that some of the sets will be signed and numbered by the designer on the reverse, but will otherwise be no different from the “regular” issue.

This set shoul be the S12/X6.

19 Haudenosaunee Lodge SX 2005 Jambo Set

Thanks to David Fritts of Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 for the trade and word of an unlistedevent patch from the Lodge.

BB Style stats are:

eX2004 RED P WHT BLK WHT FDL; BLK 19, WWW, 2004 Fellowship Weekend

David Fritts of Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 brings word of a new neckerchief from the Lodge.

BB Style stats are:

N1 RED P WHT DBL DBL FDL RED “Honor Guard” WHT 19 DBL WWW