New York OA Trader

A year ago we were discussing Neckerchief slides, in particular one from Adirondack Lodge Lodge #357 with a scan from Ray Gould.

I have just come across a couple of slides from Ranachqua Lodge, which I’ll be posting on over the next few days.

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Three years ago in April 2005, I posted on a new Neckerchief  discovery from Tuighaunock Lodge #409.

I recently picked up what I thought was a duplicate 409 N1 neckerchief. Comparing it to the one in my collection I found one had brown lettering and the other black lettering. Preliminary BB Identification N1 (Brown) and N1.5 (Black Lettering) .

This is the final item currently in my collection from Area 2-H. Thia conclave was held at Beech Mountain Scout Camp and hosted by Skanondo Lodge #64.

First up is the conclave neckerchief.

More after the jump.

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I had previously written on the Section NE-3A 1985 Section conclave, George Jennings sens along a picture of another item issued for this conclave, a silk-screed staff hat. The conclave was hosted by Nooteeming Lodge, and held at Camp Nooteeming.

While this is not your typical patch or neckerchief, it was issued for the conclave. As always collect what you want for your collection.

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Ray Gould has pointed out a new fake on eBay. The seller is from Germany. According to Ray;

Please include a post oin your blog to inform those that read it that the seller patch–world (Germany) is producing fakes and attempting to pass them off as real. His example of the #34 dance team patch is a clear fake (fully embroidered) and may even be a 3″ round (instead of a jacket patch). The auction has been bid up to $150+. Looking at his feedback, it appears that he has given refunds to those who have been dissatisfied with receiving a fake (especially when purchased under the belief it was authentic). He has kept all bid activity private (usernames are completely hidden and not scrambled like normal auctions). I notified a friend who I suspected might bid (he was under the belief the item was authentic and had placed a significant bid). Please spread the word.

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OA Images does not currently picture the S3b and S3c varieties from Gajuka Lodge #477. The S3a has a cloth back, and both the S3b and S3c have plastic backing. The Blue Book describes them as:

S3b TAN R M/C DBL GMY FDL; PB; 112×53mm
S3c DTN R M/C DBL GMY FDL dark tan border, 112×53mm PB

The difference is in the shade of tan on the border. The two varieties are pictured below.

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A year ago we posted on the Kamargo Lodge #284 X1.5 and X2.

The X2 has been listed in the Blue Book for some time, it is a cloth arrow sewn to a red neckerchief. They could be removed from the neckerchief and you would have 3 patches; in this case 2 X2’s and an R2. The neckerchief itself, normally has the R2 or R3 sewn to it. The image is an R2 and X2 on the neckerchief.

If you click on the thumbnail, a larger image will open. If you zoom in on the arrow, you can see it is applied to the neckerchief.

The X1.5 is an new addition to Blue Book VI and is described as follows:

294 X1.5 WHT C WHT - - chain stitch arrow worn on NC w/R2

This image is an R3 and X1.5, so the description is inaccurate. It should read on NC w/R2 or R3.

I’m of two minds on this. While the arrows are undeniably different than the X2, they are embroidered on the neckerchief and are not a separate patch and unlike the X2, cannot be removed from the neckerchief.

The question than becomes should it be listed at all or how should it be listed. I think the stronger argument would be to list it as an N1.7. i.e - - RED - - two white chainstiched arrows w/R2 or R3.

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The Second Area 2-H Conference was held in 1957 at Gorton Scout Reservation. Gorton was a camp for the Stueben Area Council, which would have made Wakanda Lodge #186 the host lodge for this event. The design and coloring of the neckerchief are similar to the previous years issue.

I am not aware of any other items issued for this conclave. If anyone has scans, information or a trade for other items listed for this conclave, I would be interested in obtaining or trading for it.

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A few days ago , on March 5 as part of the third part of the hardest NY OA to collect from old Area 2-G,  the discussion moved to the neckerchiefs from Ona Yote Kaonaga Lodge #500.

Ray Gould said:

N-01,1.5,2 (SSC “WWW” on white cloth…I have none of these but have seen some examples sell…not sure which of the three is toughest) NEED all 3!!!

In the comments, Dave Scocca asked:

For Ona Yote Kaonaga, are N1, N1.5, N2 really three distinct issues? (Were they made at different times, or of slightly different material, or with some slight differences other than the position of the screened image?) Or is it one batch of neckerchiefs with a good deal of variation in the screen placement, and with the chance that other spacings (60mm, 40mm) are also circulating out there?

I can’t answer that categorically myself.  I only have one of the 3 neckerchief in question the N1.5 (design; starts 25 mm from tip). As you can see in the image below, the bottom of the neckerchief is rounded.  In the pictures on OA Images of the N1 and N2 the bottom of the neckerchiefs seem to come more to a point.  This would indicate that they are truly separate issues and not just a factor of screen placement.

There are at least two other Lodge #500 collectors who read this blog, can any of you provide clearer scans of the 500 N1 and N2?

Here is the third installment of Ray Gould’s choices for the hardest NY OA to collect from his specialty old Area 2-G and its successor lodges. Ray preface his remarks with the following comments:

Through time, I’ve found the following to be among the very toughest OA in the nation to collect (most of the following have less than 10 known examples ……approx. 1/2 have less than 5 examples…and most are undervalued). They are representative of the lodges I collect.

#357 Adirondack

• R-01 (3″ round)

• X-01 and X-02

I’m not sure I’d include the 357 R1 on this list, it may be one of the toughest pieces from the lodge, but it is seen from time to time. John Pannell is showing 4 sales of each on eBay over the last 5 years.

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