New York OA Trader

Roy More posted on his blog about a new seller from Malaysia, wishingtree07, selling fakes on eBay. One of the items he has for sale, was a Sislija Lodge #19, fortunately none sold.

Unfortunately, fakes of this issue seem to be a cottage industry in Malaysia. Other sellers include, gs-gateway, jtcorner, and jt_tower.

Beware of your dealing and use available resources such as OA Images to verify you are getting what you expect.

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Ray Gould has pointed out a new fake on eBay. The seller is from Germany. According to Ray;

Please include a post oin your blog to inform those that read it that the seller patch–world (Germany) is producing fakes and attempting to pass them off as real. His example of the #34 dance team patch is a clear fake (fully embroidered) and may even be a 3″ round (instead of a jacket patch). The auction has been bid up to $150+. Looking at his feedback, it appears that he has given refunds to those who have been dissatisfied with receiving a fake (especially when purchased under the belief it was authentic). He has kept all bid activity private (usernames are completely hidden and not scrambled like normal auctions). I notified a friend who I suspected might bid (he was under the belief the item was authentic and had placed a significant bid). Please spread the word.

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“A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is.”—Karl Krauss, German writer and critic of the Third Reich.

Another new fake recently surfaced, from a New York OA Lodge, Ona Yote Kaonaga Lodge #500.  To date, the is the first cataloged fake of the R1.

First the real one which the Blue Book describes as:

R1 RED R ORG BLU O NA YOTE KA O NA GA; 76 mm

The fake, has a much more modern look. It has a YOR background, a Flat Rolled edge, twill right smooth and is approximately 82mm wide.

The Blue Book stats for the fake:
ZR1 RED R YOR BLU - Modern fake of R1, FRE, 82mm wide TRS PB

I had previously posted on what I thought was the Kitchawonk Lodge #32 ZS1 until John Pannell pointed out he already had a ZS1 on his site which I had missed. Here they are side by side (well top to bottom) for comparison.  You’ll note the tags and letters are different too, so it not just a difference in the scans.

Blue Book Stats:
ZS1 BLK C YEL BLK - RED WWW Arrow left Modern era Fake (2007)

Blue Book Stats:
ZS2 BLK C ORG BLK - RED WWW Arrow left Modern era Fake (2007)

Updated to reflect corrected issue number

Another Fake from a New York State OA lodge which never issued a patch. Never heard of Kitchawonk Lodge before? The Blue Book provides the following detail for Kitchawonk Lodge:

Chartered: 1927
Lodge Totem: Kingfisher
Council: Yonkers in Yonkers, NY
Change: 1942: Rechartered after previously disbanding, changing name to Tahawus

Well now there is a fake flap.

The Blue Book stats for this issue would be:
ZS1 ZS2 BLK R ORG BLK - RED WWW Arrow left Modern era Fake (2007)

Ray Gould sends along an image of the ZF1 Fake Flap from Onondaga Lodge #516. This flap is currently not pictured on OA Images, so I’ll send a copy along to John too.

The Blue Book Currently describes it as:
ZF1 RED R YEL BRN 5×7 mm arrowhead

I think we need to add Crude uneven lettering in Lodge Name

Gavin Murdoch continues to provide updates from his favorite collecting niche. This one is a previously unlisted fake from Nick Stoner Lodge #418.

I’ve also attached a scan of a Nick Stoner Fake which I picked up in the late 70’s. It does not appear to be like any of the fakes which are pictured on OAimages. It has a flat rolled edge. I don’t know who produced it. Much too

dark orange twill. Easy to distinguish from the real deal.

I questioned Gavin on the background color, since it appeared more of a red on my monitor. He replied…

The background is dark orange or perhaps could be called burnt orange

The Blue Book ZA1 is described as RED R ORG BLK NT; handmade

This patch clearly has twill right and whether the background is DOR or RED, it does not match the ZA1 description.

I would than tentatively label this the ZA1.5

ZA1.5 RED R DOR BLK - BLK 418, WWW TR

Our favorite auction site is the source of another apparent fake from the recently formed Kittan Lodge #364. This one is from the same seller as has listed the ’standard’ Green bordered S1 and the white bordered ZS1.

Now we can add a red bordered (likely) ZS2.

I recently posted on the new first flap from Kittan Lodge #364, the result of the absorption of Adirondack Council into Twin Rivers Council and the change in Haudenosaunee Lodge #19 to Kittan Lodge.

Recently a new seller appeared on eBay, Discountbar from Hunan China. He has be selling various types of patches including Scout Patches. Descriptions are generic, two piece sets are sold separately, CSP’s are referred to as OA, etc. There has been speculation on Patch-L, that this is another “Chang”; although likely not the same individual.

One of the OA flaps he had for auction was the Kittan S1. Both one traded from a lodge member and one from Hunan China are pictured below:

Can you tell which is which? I can’t from the scans. Actually the top one is direct from China. The only difference is the ‘import’ feels a bit flimsier like the Plastic Backing is not as thick. Could be a variation within the run or maybe it failed some sort of quality control. I have not seen any more of these issued by that seller; but unfortunately, it seems like there is no way to confidently tell them apart.

John Pannell had a similar post on his blog about the same seller.

Cleaning out my In-Box, I came across a few emails on an oddity from Half Moon Lodge I had been asked about. Three or four years ago, I had been given a color photocopy of an odd looking Half Moon Lodge #28 Flap. The person told me he had traded for it over a year ago and didn’t know anything else about it.  The story I later heard from another individual, was that the patch may have been some sort of executive board issue but the person only had this information third or fourth hand.

I was never able to track down any further information, but last summer I exchanged a few emails with the Lodge Advisor Bob D. and another member of the Lodge Tom W.

Tom wrote:

I am sure it was never a official issue but I believe it was a concoction by 2 youth who have been maybe a bit disgruntle and you got this drawing to you. I have Copied Bob DxXxxxx the Lodge Advisor and the final decision is his but I have never seen the picture. I do remember seeing a flap put together with glue 1 side being pink and the other I can’t remember but again not an official issue by no means unless the LEC at that time privately voted as it was presented at some Lodge event (I think a Winter banquet) but again I do not remember or can I find anybody who remembers it being official.

Bob D. the Advisor wrote “Yes the patch from (our) earlier (correspondence) is a FAKE.

I am not able to provide a complete description since I cannot tell all of the details about the patch from the photocopy I have.