New York OA Trader

The International Scout Collectors Association has published a number of Memorabilia Checklists to aid the collector.

The checklists ( at this time) include, OA Lodge Checklist, Council CSP Checklist, OA Lodge / Council Cross Reference Checklist, OA Sash Checklist and OA Handbook Checklist. All are available in a number of electronic formats including Adobe PDF, MS Word, Pagemaker, MS Excel and HTML.
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I came across this posting a while back which talked about what you need to think about when trying to buy out a large amount of items at a garage sale or similar venue. Check it out in its entirety and to read his analysis.

Here are the points that the Mighty Bargain Hunter thought we should consider.

1. Do they want to be bought out?
2. You generally do have to ask.
3. Think of a number that you’d pay for the whole lot.
4. Ask them to give you a price.
5. If they’ve marked all of the items, you can start from there or assume that’s their starting price.
6. If they won’t give a number, make a reasonable offer.
7. If they ask if you’re keeping the stuff or re-selling it, it’s best to tell the truth.
8. Expect to pay cash.

It seems that it is also applicable to buying someones collection or accumulation of Scout Memorabilia too.

The first question I think you need to ask is it all, or mainly all for your collection or is it for resale?

This will likely help you determine how much you are willing to pay. If you want (need and can afford it all) for your collection, you are likely to be willing to pay retail or near retail for it. If it is for resale at a TOR or eBay, a wholesale price is what your willing to offer.

The art of course is determining what to offer.

You run across an old Scouting acquaintance who tells you he just came across his old patch collection and he remembered you collected patches. He offers to sell it to you as he is no longer interested in them.

After viewing the collection, lets call it 200 solid OA issues, pre-1990 , all mint and probably in the $ 5 - 20 range each but no real hidden gems. You could probably use 10 for your collection, but these rest are trading stock, for eBay or other resale venue.

What would you offer and why?

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Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum (I think that I think, therefore I think that I am.)

Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
US author & satirist (1842 - 1914)

Here is the third installment of Ray Gould’s choices for the hardest NY OA to collect from his specialty old Area 2-G and its successor lodges. Ray preface his remarks with the following comments:

Through time, I’ve found the following to be among the very toughest OA in the nation to collect (most of the following have less than 10 known examples ……approx. 1/2 have less than 5 examples…and most are undervalued). They are representative of the lodges I collect.

#357 Adirondack

• R-01 (3″ round)

• X-01 and X-02

I’m not sure I’d include the 357 R1 on this list, it may be one of the toughest pieces from the lodge, but it is seen from time to time. John Pannell is showing 4 sales of each on eBay over the last 5 years.

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Here is the second installment of the hardest NY OA to collect as submitted by Ray Gould. As mentioned in the previous installment, Ray specializes in old Area 2-G lodges and their successors today.

• #219 Kayanernh Kowa

• X-1.1 “Shadow Clan” patch …time will tell…additional border colors exist not currently listed in BB. NEED!!!

See the first link for the scan and the second for information on the additional border colors.

More lodges after the jump:

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I’ve just begun a series on the hardest NY OA issues to collect based on a recent thread in Patch-L. Here is one of the toughest items from Nischa Nitas Lodge #410.

I actually held one in my hands once, but it is the only time I’ve seen it up close and personal. It had a very short run and is also very collectible as a Ceremonial Team issue.

One Nischa Nitas Lodge #410 J1 just finished up on eBay for nearly $ 1600.  At most this may be the second one I’ve seen on eBay over the last 10 years of steady searching.

Also one of the nicest, but simple looking designs in a Jacket Patch.

Image use with permission of OA Images

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Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.

Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

There was a thread on Patch-L regarding what were the harder (or hardest) OA to collect from your Lodge or Section or State. Now in New York there are the obvious Wakoda A1 or Hanigus R1; but both are likely $ 15,000 items. There are also a number of slightly lower tier items like the Nick Stoner A1 which are certainly tough, but are seen on a semi-regular basis. With deep enough pockets or the right trade material they are obtainable.

You can add your thoughts to the discussion by adding a comment or emailing me at nyoatrader -at- nyoatrader dot com and I’ll work it into a future installment.

I’ll add my thoughts on the NYC area lodges, but here are Mike Hulsizer’s thoughts on the lodges he collects. Mike maintains a great collecting resource for these lodges, the Western New York Order of the Arrow Patch History.

I collect 3 lodges from WNY. Most pieces are pretty easy to get. However, a few are tough.
284 Tuscarora:

R1: Probably the most expensive piece from this lodge (~$125) but they are floating around on eBay.

L1: Rarest piece - never seen on eBay.

I did pick up an 284L1 on eBay years back, nut is was not properly described. Unless you know what your looking for, you would not know what it was.

Image used by permission of OA Images

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Glenn Chase of the Patch Camp Blog had a post about Jeff Snowden the Scoutmaster of Troop 97 BSA of Fort Collins, Colorado.  Glenn maintains the excellent The Scout Patch Collector’s Base Camp a compilation of all links collecting.  A great place to start your research.

Jeff has a website, actually part of his troop website, on the Boy Scout Handbook.

The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) recognized from its founding the value of a comprehensive handbook for its members, publishing its first permanent Handbook in August, 1911. Even during the year it took to standardize the American program, the BSA hurriedly printed a temporary handbook, combining Chief Scout Ernest Thompson Seton’s Birch-Bark Roll and Baden-Powell’s Scouting for Boys. Since 1910, the BSA has published this one temporary Handbook edition (which they call the Original Edition) and eleven permanent Handbook editions.

The Handbook has changed greatly since 1910, but much of the content of the early handbooks is still recognizable in today’s edition. It is fascinating to examine the similarities and differences among the editions, what made each edition unique, and the trends that developed over the Handbook’s history.

This third edition of the Handbook’s story has been revised and updated throughout, especially to add the BSA’s new Eleventh Edition, published in December, 1998. It also adds a complete “Collector’s Listing” for each Edition, telling how to identify every printing.

Hat Tip to the Patch Camp Blog

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There’s no point in being grown up if you can’t be childish sometimes.

Doctor Who

I had previously posted about a web site devoted to the memorabilia of the 2007 World Jamboree. Harold Daw announced an update on Patch-L.

Good day patch collectors, It has taken me many many hours but the listing of WJ 2007 badges that I started on my website is now complete. Well, at least it is as complete as I can make it for the moment. I am sure it is not 100% complete. All entries are complete with pics so have a view. It took up 6 pages on the website just to make it orderly and organized. Every countries badges (national, local, troop & event) are all together within the country to make life a bit easier. I don’t think there is any duplication but I may have missed something here. www.worldbadger.com/21WJ2007_1.asp This is the first Jamboree where it was hard to determine what was Jamboree and what was not. Countries like Egypt and Tahiti had a 100th Anniversary badge made about a year ago and then used the same badge as their contingent to the Jamboree. This is why it is on both lists. There were also a lot of badges ‘traded at the jamboree’ that had nothing to do with the jamboree. I think I have removed all these. Hope the list helps out those of you that are WJ collectors. Please note that this is not my collection as I stopped collecting WJ after 1995. I actually believe that it will be almost impossible to get a complete collection of this jamboree - there are just too many items out there - some of which I know I missed cataloging. Have fun - do let me know if there are items missed or mis-represented.

You can find the updated site here.

Prior 1973 and the realignment into Sections, groups of OA Lodges were referred to as Areas. I recently published a Checklist for Sections containing a New York OA Lodge.

Below you will find a checklist of the the Area conclaves where at least one of the lodges in each of the listed Areas was headquartered in New York during that years conclave.

I’d appreciate any feedback on missing Areas with a New York OA Lodge or if you feel a Area did not contain a New York Lodge.

Please include any details about the missing sections including which New York Lodges were in the Area in the given year.

Harold Daw posted recently to Patch-L about a site he is creating, dedicated to compiling a checklist of all of the memorabilia issued by the various countries and contingents to the 21st World Jamboree in England last month.

You can find it here