Comments on: Area 2-G 1953 Conclave (?) Neckerchief http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/07/08/area-2-g-1953-conclave-neckerchief/ Collecting New York State OA, one patch at a time. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:05:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: New York OA Trader | Area 2-G 1955 Conclave Patch http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/07/08/area-2-g-1953-conclave-neckerchief/#comment-16716 New York OA Trader | Area 2-G 1955 Conclave Patch Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:19:28 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=1800#comment-16716 [...] 1955 Area 2-G Conclave Patch. He also speculates about the neckerchief I previously posted as the 1953 2-G neckerchief. Area 2-G 1955 Conclave [...] [...] 1955 Area 2-G Conclave Patch. He also speculates about the neckerchief I previously posted as the 1953 2-G neckerchief. Area 2-G 1955 Conclave [...]

]]> By: nyoatrader http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/07/08/area-2-g-1953-conclave-neckerchief/#comment-16580 nyoatrader Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:47:01 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=1800#comment-16580 The 1954 Area 2-G Conclave isues can be seen here: http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/03/14/area-2-g-1954-section-conclave-neckerchief/ The 1954 Area 2-G Conclave isues can be seen here:
http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/03/14/area-2-g-1954-section-conclave-neckerchief/

]]> By: nyoatrader http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/07/08/area-2-g-1953-conclave-neckerchief/#comment-16579 nyoatrader Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:40:23 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=1800#comment-16579 Ray,Thanks for the analysis. I used the date that was provided to me on the scan. I'll need to dig through what has been provided to me by Tom Neale and yourself see what I have for the 1955 2-G patch. The 1954 2-G Conclave issues can be seen in this post http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/03/14/area-2-g-1954-section-conclave-neckerchief/ Ray,Thanks for the analysis. I used the date that was provided to me on the scan. I’ll need to dig through what has been provided to me by Tom Neale and yourself see what I have for the 1955 2-G patch.
The 1954 2-G Conclave issues can be seen in this post http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/03/14/area-2-g-1954-section-conclave-neckerchief/

]]> By: Ray Gould http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2008/07/08/area-2-g-1953-conclave-neckerchief/#comment-16577 Ray Gould Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:42:42 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=1800#comment-16577 Hi Bill- This neckerchief has long caused some confusion. I have a different view on this neckerchief regarding date and conclave: This neckerchief was actually used for the 1955 conclave (not 1953 as suggested) held at Camp Rotary hosted by Tahgajute #247. These are the reasons why this makes sense: 1. Look at the neckerchief, stylistically, it looks very similar to the 1955 patch (which also makes no mention of the conclave or date). 2. It is more likely that the neckerchief was produced for the 1955 event because a patch was definitely issued (for the 1955 conclave) and was likely paired with it. 3. As Bill states, it is possible that nothing was produced for the 1953 meeting (it was probably not a true conclave because the 1956 patch clearly states "Area II-G 3rd Conference"). This implies that the first "true" conclave was 1954 (which has both a neckerchief slide and neckerchief....both clearly dated and stylistically similar). I believe the said 1955 patch was erroneously attributed to this (1954) conclave in the collecting guide (it stylistically looks nothing like the other 1954 pieces). I would place both the arrowhead shaped patch (I believe you've shared it in previous blog posts) and neckerchief in the same year. Either both were used for the 1953 meeting (very unlikely....because it leaves us with the no items being produced for the 1955 event) or both for the 1955 conclave (by deduction, it is more likely that either nothing or a much smaller production run was produced for the 1953 planning meeting....perhaps leaving us with the possibility that there are still 1953 items to discover) My 2 cents- -Ray Hi Bill-
This neckerchief has long caused some confusion. I have a different view on this neckerchief regarding date and conclave:
This neckerchief was actually used for the 1955 conclave (not 1953 as suggested) held at Camp Rotary hosted by Tahgajute #247.

These are the reasons why this makes sense:
1. Look at the neckerchief, stylistically, it looks very similar to the 1955 patch (which also makes no mention of the conclave or date).
2. It is more likely that the neckerchief was produced for the 1955 event because a patch was definitely issued (for the 1955 conclave) and was likely paired with it.
3. As Bill states, it is possible that nothing was produced for the 1953 meeting (it was probably not a true conclave because the 1956 patch clearly states “Area II-G 3rd Conference”). This implies that the first “true” conclave was 1954 (which has both a neckerchief slide and neckerchief….both clearly dated and stylistically similar). I believe the said 1955 patch was erroneously attributed to this (1954) conclave in the collecting guide (it stylistically looks nothing like the other 1954 pieces).

I would place both the arrowhead shaped patch (I believe you’ve shared it in previous blog posts) and neckerchief in the same year. Either both were used for the 1953 meeting (very unlikely….because it leaves us with the no items being produced for the 1955 event) or both for the 1955 conclave (by deduction, it is more likely that either nothing or a much smaller production run was produced for the 1953 planning meeting….perhaps leaving us with the possibility that there are still 1953 items to discover)
My 2 cents-
-Ray

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