Comments on: Undated Section NE-2B Neckerchief

By: Ray Gould

Ray Gould — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:52:06 +0000

Hi All-
I am 100% certain the neckerchief was a non-event section issue (as opposed to a conclave event issue). I attended both the 1987 and 1988 conclaves and have separate matching patch/neckerchief sets for each event. Should you wish for scans of the sets, I’d be happy to provide them for documentation purposes.
My best-
-Ray

By: nyoatrader

nyoatrader — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:42:09 +0000

Thanks for the comments. Section and Section Event issues are one of the last areas in OA collecting that haven’t been actively cataloged. There are hundreds and thousands of issues that have never been systemically organized and a checklist created.

The collective memory fades unless it is written down.

By: nyoatrader

nyoatrader — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:43:02 +0000

Neale,
You may be right, but I suspect it is a Section Neckerchief to be used over the course of several years rather than specific to an individual event. I have a 1988 Conclave neckerchief also, but not the 1987.

By: Rob Higgins

Rob Higgins — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:56:28 +0000

Rob

My guess looking at the other items I have it is either 1987 or 1988. I
think it is a 1987 because the patch for 1988 says NE-IIB and this reads
Section II-B. plus the patch looks nothing like the neckerchief.

Neale

By: Neale Cummings

Neale Cummings — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:06:42 +0000

I own one of these neckerchiefs and it is either 1987 or 1988; however after looking at my other conclave items I believe it is 1987 because the 1988 patch reads Section NE-IIB and the neckerchief reads section II-B and they look nothing alike.

Thanks
Neale

By: Rob Higgins

Rob Higgins — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:30:23 +0000

Hi Bill,

Thanks for referencing my site! Undated section item most likely offered over a couple of years, and you’ve nailed down the possible dates. NE-3B’s site has a very nice section memorabilia gallery (with an even better photo of that item) http://www.ne3b.org/history/

I’m emailing the person who may own that neckerchief to ask for a more specific date range.

BTW, Ka-Ya-Neh-Ren-Ko-Wa is their section name, going back to at least 1976.

By: nyoatrader

nyoatrader — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:44:42 +0000

Ray,
I’m sure that if there were still some neckerchiefs left after the 1988 realignment, they would continue to be sold.

A new collectors item, after all A Scout is Thrifty

Thanks for the update. Be interested in anything you find out.

By: Ray Gould

Ray Gould — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:49:20 +0000

Hi Bill-
I remember these neckerchiefs being for sale for at least a 2-3 year (perhaps more) time span and purchasing one at conclave. They do not date to a specific year but instead were issued over a number of years. For some reason, I remember them still being available in 1990 (I could be wrong on this) when conclave was hosted at Camp Portaferry. I had never noticed the similarity between the section name and #219’s name. It seems reasonable that the 2 mean the same thing (#219’s name is interpreted as “Great Binding Law” or “Great Peace). I believe first #219 lodge chief (Joe G.) was responsible for coming up with the name (there may have been a small committee involved also). I am certain they did not take the name from the earlier section but had arrived at the decision by simply doing original research. The Onondaga nation is close to Syracuse, NY and “Hiawatha Belt” was chosen as lodge totem. I believe the “Hiawatha Belt” was the “treaty” for creation of “Great Binding Law” or “Great Peace”. I am certain that then Section Adviser (Gordon K.) could provide more info. about the section neckerchief specifics. Perhaps I’ll stop in and see how he’s doing and find out more.
My best-
-Ray