Comments on: Gonlix Lodge #34 Neckerchiefs and What’s a Blue Book Issue http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2007/04/20/gonlix-lodge-34-neckerchiefs-and-whats-a-blue-book-issue/ Collecting New York State OA, one patch at a time. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:15:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Ray Gould http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2007/04/20/gonlix-lodge-34-neckerchiefs-and-whats-a-blue-book-issue/#comment-11743 Ray Gould Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:12:10 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=778#comment-11743 A recent conversation with the last lodge chief of Gonlix (Jim W.) resulted in his recanting his statement about the wife of Ken B. helping to make the neckerchiefs discussed above. He correctly remembers her helping to make the staff neckerchiefs for Camp Eatonbrook (not the lodge). As Bill Griesmyer shared, only Patricia W. (wife of Nelson W.) assembled these neckerchiefs. However, the 70 number is still suspect to me (I can place at least 1 dozen of these in private collections or still with original members.....one former chief has 2!.....the A-01a and A-01c....his n/c with A-01c is soiled and the A-01a is mint pristine.....one would think the reverse would be more likely.....hmmmmmm). My best- Ray A recent conversation with the last lodge chief of Gonlix (Jim W.) resulted in his recanting his statement about the wife of Ken B. helping to make the neckerchiefs discussed above. He correctly remembers her helping to make the staff neckerchiefs for Camp Eatonbrook (not the lodge). As Bill Griesmyer shared, only Patricia W. (wife of Nelson W.) assembled these neckerchiefs. However, the 70 number is still suspect to me (I can place at least 1 dozen of these in private collections or still with original members…..one former chief has 2!…..the A-01a and A-01c….his n/c with A-01c is soiled and the A-01a is mint pristine…..one would think the reverse would be more likely…..hmmmmmm).
My best-
Ray

]]> By: Bill Griesmyer http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2007/04/20/gonlix-lodge-34-neckerchiefs-and-whats-a-blue-book-issue/#comment-10486 Bill Griesmyer Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:41:58 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=778#comment-10486 fellow NYS collectors. I want to thank Ray for his comments. Ray is much more in tune with Central NY, since I haven't lived there since 1975. It is quite possible that there was more than one "manufacturing" cycle for the neckerchiefs. Based on the rare nature of the neckerchiefs, it seems that that the combined quantities don't seem to match the availability of the neckerchiefs, though. I received my information from a close friend of Nelson Wxxx. Somewhere in my emails form the late 1990's, I may have his name. I would love to talk live with Ray, too. Additionally, I recieved some history od madision County Council that was created by council leaders for a presentation at an annual meeting. I have added it to my web site at: http://www.infoblvd.net/griesmyer/collect_files/council/madison_county_council_history.htm In the 1928 information, it refers to the lodge name as Gonlix Lodge, not Lynx Lodge. That may be due to the fact that the council leadership may not have had anyone that was involved in the initial formation. Bill Griesmyer fellow NYS collectors. I want to thank Ray for his comments. Ray is much more in tune with Central NY, since I haven’t lived there since 1975. It is quite possible that there was more than one “manufacturing” cycle for the neckerchiefs. Based on the rare nature of the neckerchiefs, it seems that that the combined quantities don’t seem to match the availability of the neckerchiefs, though. I received my information from a close friend of Nelson Wxxx. Somewhere in my emails form the late 1990’s, I may have his name.

I would love to talk live with Ray, too.

Additionally, I recieved some history od madision County Council that was created by council leaders for a presentation at an annual meeting. I have added it to my web site at:
http://www.infoblvd.net/griesmyer/collect_files/council/madison_county_council_history.htm

In the 1928 information, it refers to the lodge name as Gonlix Lodge, not Lynx Lodge. That may be due to the fact that the council leadership may not have had anyone that was involved in the initial formation.

Bill Griesmyer

]]> By: Ray Gould http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/2007/04/20/gonlix-lodge-34-neckerchiefs-and-whats-a-blue-book-issue/#comment-10459 Ray Gould Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:18:33 +0000 http://www.nyoatrader.com/blog/?p=778#comment-10459 Hi NY Collectors- Recent research I've performed on this neckerchief results in the following: The red square on the neckerchief containing the #34 A-01a (at least the example I've seen) is slightly smaller (perhaps 1" x 1" smaller) than those red squares on the neckerchief containing the #34 A-01c (comparison of the two neckerchiefs can be seen on www.oaimages.com...A-01a vs. A-01c). I've had several conversations with former #34 Gonlix chiefs and many remember the wife of another adviser (adviser's name was Ken Bxxxxx) helping create the neckerchiefs and indicate possibly 100-150 examples produced (yet it remains one of the toughest II-G items to find...I still need both examples on a neckerchief...someday I'll shake both loose!). A few remembered Mrs. Bxxxxx making them in the mid-late 1960's (presumably the A-01c's) with the earlier examples accredited to Mrs. Wxxxx (presumably the A-01a's...Bill G. - I'd like to speak live with you regarding what I've learned). Bill's recollection of being told not to wash the neckerchief is absolutely correct. At least one other member/chief recanted the same memory and rationale for not washing it (and so, few were worn for purposes other than official lodge representation: ie. conclave training session, LEC meeting, any place where cleanliness would be assured). I hope this sheds further light on II-G collecting. I look forward to providing Bill Mulrenin with a posting on how Gonlix Lodge #34, originally Lynx Lodge, came to Madison County, NY in summer 1928 (when no surrounding counties had an Order of the Arrow program...it's a neat glimpse into the early spread of the WWW program. My best- -Ray Hi NY Collectors-
Recent research I’ve performed on this neckerchief results in the following:

The red square on the neckerchief containing the #34 A-01a (at least the example I’ve seen) is slightly smaller (perhaps 1″ x 1″ smaller) than those red squares on the neckerchief containing the #34 A-01c (comparison of the two neckerchiefs can be seen on http://www.oaimages.com…A-01a vs. A-01c).

I’ve had several conversations with former #34 Gonlix chiefs and many remember the wife of another adviser (adviser’s name was Ken Bxxxxx) helping create the neckerchiefs and indicate possibly 100-150 examples produced (yet it remains one of the toughest II-G items to find…I still need both examples on a neckerchief…someday I’ll shake both loose!). A few remembered Mrs. Bxxxxx making them in the mid-late 1960’s (presumably the A-01c’s) with the earlier examples accredited to Mrs. Wxxxx (presumably the A-01a’s…Bill G. - I’d like to speak live with you regarding what I’ve learned).

Bill’s recollection of being told not to wash the neckerchief is absolutely correct. At least one other member/chief recanted the same memory and rationale for not washing it (and so, few were worn for purposes other than official lodge representation: ie. conclave training session, LEC meeting, any place where cleanliness would be assured).

I hope this sheds further light on II-G collecting. I look forward to providing Bill Mulrenin with a posting on how Gonlix Lodge #34, originally Lynx Lodge, came to Madison County, NY in summer 1928 (when no surrounding counties had an Order of the Arrow program…it’s a neat glimpse into the early spread of the WWW program.

My best-
-Ray

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