Scouting Podcast – ClothTalk 003 – NOAC

I commented on Cloth Talk last month, a project by Tim Hall and Ben Killen, there is a third podcast available for download or to listen to on your computer.  This one talks about the history of NOAC collectibles amongst other topics. 

One note for NY collectors, they mention a delegate issue from Ranachqua Lodge #4 from the 1948 NOAC.  Both the Blue Book and Dr. Ron Aldridge’s (sp?) OA Insignia at National Events attribute the patch to Lodge 189.  Blue Book designates it as the 189R1.

I look forward to the next episode. Have a listen. 

ClothTalk 003 – NOAC

by Chris Brightwell on April 23rd, 20061926 OA Comb case

Tim Hall and Ben Killen host episode 3 to discuss NOAC, the National Order of the Arrow Conference.

Dr. James Flatt joins us with some outstanding NOAC items, including the very first national collectable item, a nail file and comb case from the 1926 National Meeting.

For the new collectors, we discuss the types of edges on patches.

We have a voice recording of Goodman and Edson discussing the first lodge flap.

Other items:
– 1948 National Bulletin from Indiana Unversity considered the first of the modern NOACs.
– 1948 Lodge 4 delegate patch
– 1969 Host Lodge NOAC neckerchief
– NOAC Brotherhood Band and Chorus
– Ken Castille, from Louisiana, sent in an image of a patch from Camp Chenier–a segregated camp from his area.



  1. Tim Hall says:

    Wow. Thanks for keeping us honest! Big mistake confusing Lodge 4 with Lodge 189. We’ll correct this in the show. Please email me should we just be wrong again! You are right

    This is really minor. This 189R1 really looks like it was based on a Post Mark type graphic type…

    Once again drop us a note if we screw up. Great site! Thanks!

    Tim Hall

  2. Tim Hall says:

    Oh yea BTW there is a new ClothTalk available. Check out:
    http://www.CothTalk.Com. Help Ben find the Big Apple Bash.. On the road..



  3. Tim Hall says:

    The more research I do the more I see that the 189R1 patch is a controversial issue among top collectors. Although 189 is in all the books as the issuer this may not be only opinion on the matter. I seems that several of these patches have Lodge 4 on the back of them. So this is not worth getting upset over but is a lesson in that if you don’t want this to happen to one of your patches put your Lodge on it.


  4. nyoatrader says:

    I’ve never seen it on any NY Lists including the Don Vanderbilt collection (which was broken up around 1991-2 but I have B&W photocopies of), nor in Al Rosenbergers “Collecting NY OA from the early 1970’s), nor in Joe Mirenda’s extensive NYC OA collection nor on Bob Connor’s First NY Blue Book Listings or from my copies of his collection.
    I’m separately contacting Gene Berman; Gene is the BB editor for NYC OA and the most knowledgeable NYC OA collector around to let him weigh in.
    I’m also a Trustee of the Ten Mile River Scout Camp Museum ( where we have contact with a number of Bronx (Camp and Ranachqua Lodge) I can followup with them at Alumni Day this summer too.

  5. nyoatrader says:

    Gene Berman Says:
    “While I can’t say for sure, I highly doubt this is a Lodge #4 item. Ranachqua, unlike many small lodges throughout the country, back then was a very big lodge with multiple collectors going back to the founders of the Trader, Mike Diamond and Morris Olshwitz both from Ranachqua. The Trader began around 1952 or 53. John Tegtmeier from Ranachqua, when he sold his collection had only a few number needs. Mike Feigenbaum relentlessly pursued all Ranachqua stuff as his home lodge.
    And there are others. If this really was a Lodge 4 item, these would have been known to the above and either in their collections or on their needs lists. I never saw this so listed. So while I can’t explain someone writing Lodge 4, and I can’t personally verify whether its a 189 or not I will forward this to Paul Myers who will certainly know if its a 189 or not.”

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